America is about to take a step toward socialism

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    This bailout is a redistribution of the wealth. They are taking money from the middle and lower class and giving it to the wealthy. Redistribution of wealth is the whole idea of Socialism; except in socialism it is supposed to come from the rich and go to the poor. President Bush presided over the most consolidation of power into the executive branch in the history of our country. He performs illegal wire taps and goes to war without consent of congress. Now he says we must give 700billion dollars to the wealthy elite or the countries economy will collapse; even though it's been almost two weeks since the crisis began, and the market is still fine. After taking all this into consideration it is hard to believe we live in a democracy anymore, and even if it is one it doesn't look like were going to have freedom for too much longer. We need a serious change in our two party political system and let some independent parties in the mix. They couldn't screw it up anymore than it already is.
     
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    this is exactly why we don't need anymore republicans in the white house. the keep on taking money from the middle class and poor and giving it to the rich. it's like robin in reverse
     
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    about to step ?..they have been marching that road for awhile now and are about to jump in balls deep.....really
     
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    You are missing the point.

    If we had Denocrats in power. They would be taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor. That's just the classical defination of socialism.

    In other words, both Democrats and Republicans are advocating socialism.

    There is NO difference between either party. Just which class of people they are going to rob.
     
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    That's not the classical definition of socialism. That's redistribution of wealth. Socialism requires the societal, as opposed to private, ownership of the means of production. Neither the Democrats nor the GOP are socialist and are not likely to be. Both parties are capitalist. It's just the some in the GOP want govenment to go out of the governing business and let individuals and corporations run the show and the Democrats want government to function to ensure that at least something works and the carpetbaggers are kept under control.
     
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    There isn't any difference between Democrats and Republicans.

    In theory, Yes.

    In reality, NO
     
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    Socialism is when the government OWNS the means of production.

    This move isn't socialism, this is just plain old theft by those in power.

    they can do this in a way that does NOT screw the American people, but so far it looks like they'd rather bail out the banks and let the American people assume the crappy paper those banks have on their books.
     
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    I hate to be picky but I think when the government owns a means of production (eg a business that collapses and is then taken over by government) that it's called "nationalisation".

    Socialism is a transitory condition where, gradually, private ownership is dismantled and the state takes over the means of production as the slow and, I think, evolutionary movement towards communal ownership of the means of production is achieved.
     
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    When the government owns the means of production isn't any ideology it's what the russians did when they said they had communism. Communism is when everyone shares their property, but that is not actually possible in reality. So, Russia just took control of every business, and kept control of everything, which is why communism doesn't work. Socialism is less radical. It means to try and balance the wealth out evenly, but I guess this isn't regular socialism it's reverse socialism.
     

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