America=Gay Marriage. Russia=Institute for Noble Maidens.

[Rikurzhen]

I didn't say anyone was forcing them.

I just wanted to be sure that you, or others who may be following along, didn't presume men were spiking drinks.

I said that alcohol and drugs loosen inhibitions and that is the biggest reason why college aged women are doing some of these things.

We're in agreement.

But yes, you have a point that it's more acceptable in society to be a drunk and easy, but I'm sure that people have always had premarital sex.

It's more acceptable because liberals have transformed the culture so that the libertine ideals are no longer scorned. They had a vision of how society and sexual relations SHOULD BE, unfortunately human sexual behavioral natures didn't get the memo. Free, cheap, easy sex is far more difficult for women to live with than it is for men. Think about who the enforcers of the chaste moral code were back in the day? IT was women who shunned the sluts in their midst for the sluts were rightly seen as a threat to female control of sexuality. If too many women were easily available to men, then a woman no longer had as much control in the timing of the sexual evolution occurring in their relationships.

Women seem to want that control back but they don't want to police themselves and so instead they're trying to criminalize men after the fact, after a sexual encounter which doesn't playout or develop along their expectations. This is what happens when society trusts liberals and feminists who claim that jumping off the cliff will result in a soft landing because humans can fly. Oops, humans can't fly and those liberal and feminist promises of a better way were just hollow promises.

You are comparing one extreme to another though. There is a "middle ground" in there between virginal and whorish.

The problem is that a middle ground is unstable - there are no mechanisms to keep the cultural practices from going to the lowest common denominator. That's PRECISELY how we got here today.

The old system of dates and going steady suited women's desires quite well. Group dates, friends with benefits, and the hook-up scene don't, they actually suit male interests better. More sex, less commitment, less ego threat. The problem is that the payoffs and harms from both models aren't equally proportional. Men dealt better with the frustration of the older system than women deal with the consequences of the present system.

Okay, so what is your suggestion?

In all aspects of life, it's takes effort to maintain order. Want an efficient kitchen? Keep it clean and put everything in it's place. Want a beautiful yard? Maintain it and fight the weeds, and plant the gardens. Want a healthy personal relationship? Invest effort into paying attention to your spouse. Want a good career? Invest effort in training, in performance.

Going with the flow, going with satisfying immediate desires at the lowest possible effort/cost is going to erode order. Taking your spouse for granted because it's too much effort to think about their satisfaction will get you an immediate benefit but it will come at the expense of a deteriorating marriage.

Look up thread to the first picture. The Noble Maidens being escorted by their handsome dates. That's a courtship ritual of sorts. It's very stylized and symbolic, but it represents effort with no immediate reward. What's happening there is the maintenance of one brick in the foundation of sexual relations within a culture. When you have a whole lot of bricks like this, then you are expending effort at maintaining a system and that system delivers better results for society.

Men having ready access to sex without needing to make a lot of effort is freaking terrific for men but a disaster for society. A conservative world view is shaped by sticking with behaviors, institutions, culture which works. A liberal worldview is informed by overthrowing what works for the promise of a more immediately satisfying alternative. The trouble with liberalism is that it is built on a promise of a better tomorrow and it can't guarantee that the promise will be fulfilled. That's the failure of the sexual revolution. Female nature isn't playing along. The fabric of society can't resist ripping as it tries to contain essential functions while simultaneously allowing people to seek immediate gratification with the lowest cost.

The Rube Goldberg fixes liberalism tries to implement in order to address the unintended consequences never replicate the efficiency of what was overthrown. The campus rape legislation seeks to restore female power to the sex question but rather than resorting to the old ways of women keeping each other in line, it now criminalizes men after the fact. Look at weddings. Back before the sexual revolution, the simple act of getting married transformed a boy into a man and a girl into a woman. That hugely significant life transition has now been erased. Now a marriage is simply a part of spectrum of relationships, yet women still seek social significance to the transition in their life so now getting married has been replaced with the wedding ceremony as the cultural signifier. The ceremony, for many women, becomes the event, not the actual transition from being single to being paired for life with your spouse.

There's no denying that a more liberal attitude towards sexuality and marriage is a more gratifying experience than the older ways of courting and investment before sex, but the present ways are causing a lot more personal damage to both women and society, and men too in different ways.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

We're heading into a liberal sewer and Russia is trying to elevate it's society to a higher state:

The Russian Empire had a total of 12 Institutes for Noble Maidens in different cities, including far-off Siberia (Irkutsk), the Urals (Orenburg), and present-day eastern Ukraine (Kharkov).

Today, announcements recruiting girls for schools or preparatory courses for ‘noble maidens’ are becoming ever more commonplace. The largest such institution is the Ministry of Defense of Russia Boarding School for Girls, which was founded in 2008.

This establishment uses as its inspiration pre-revolutionary ‘institutes for noble maidens’, leaving the old terms of enrollment, list of subjects, and daily schedules intact.

“This type of school is adapted to the modern social environment. We don’t isolate the girls at all. We teach them things that are not taught in ordinary schools,” said Yelena Venediktova, director of studies at the Academy for Noble Maidens attached to the Novosibirsk Cadet Corps. Such subjects include homemaking, social practices (etiquette, behaviour and so on), and choreography; girls from the school dance the waltz together at balls with boys from the Cadet Corps.

In contrast with pre-revolutionary noble maidens, modern ‘noble maidens’ prefer to continue their education, usually in the humanities or in the military field.

This is the key difference: The girls not only leave the institute’s walls as cultured women and homemakers, but they can also compete with graduates from general schools for university admission.

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Another article and a whole lot of photos here:

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Yet another article and some more photos here:

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We are a free country though. Don't you find it rather hypocritical for the government to tell people who they can and cannot marry? I have absolutely no issues with gay marriage. It doesn't effect me at all.

Cultural practices affect everyone. The Russian government isn't telling people who to marry.

But Repubs/RWs are.

Why don't you get the fuck out of my country? Go live where you can agree with the government, where you won't have the US Constitution to fight against?

Just leave.

You will not be missed.

And, I can give you a list of anti-America, anti-American, tee potty, RW, USMess traitors you can take with you.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I thought that the Republican love affair with Russia ended a couple of weeks ago?

Uh ya. 'Institutes for Noble Maidens' what could possibly go wrong? Not like it's a haven for sexual exploitation or shows up all over the pornweb or anything. ...Oh wait.

But don't expect any of the RWs to call him on the truth about this.

And, he'll lie about it too.

Bet on it.