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AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION
This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56
After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.
In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.
The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.
People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.
America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
Common law - The feudal land law
There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.
The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.
You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?
Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?
I know who Porter Rockwell was.
Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.
Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.
I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.
Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)
You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.
I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.
True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.
Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.
Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?
You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:
The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf
Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …
https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf
Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem
New Jerusalem
Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"
The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.
Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
He is a Mormon? That explains it. Nothing to see here except the circus elephants folding up the tents.
Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.
Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.
Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?
You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:
The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf
Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …
https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf
Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem
New Jerusalem
Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"
The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.
Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.
You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?
Those to whom you refer as "our forefathers" were Puritans, Quakers, Episcopalians, Catholics, Baptists, Calvinists, and those of some other Christian denominations who were all fleeing "the tyranny of King George," so I don't know how you would create another denomination that incorporates all of their teachings, as many are the opposite of each other and some even killed each other, even if such an endeavor would constitute a worthy cause.
I also do not understand what some declaration that the United States was founded as a Christian nation would accomplish. What happened 200-300 years ago is irrelevant to the nation we live in today. The people who were involved, and all the rest who were deliberately denied a public role in it, have been dead for a long time.
True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."
Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.
Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.
Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?
You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:
The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf
Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …
https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf
Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem
New Jerusalem
Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"
The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.
Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
He is a Mormon? That explains it. Nothing to see here except the circus elephants folding up the tents.
AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION
This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56
After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.
In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.
The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.
People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.
America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
Common law - The feudal land law
There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.
The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.
I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.
You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?
Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?
I know who Porter Rockwell was.
Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.
Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.
I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.
Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)
You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.
I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.
Name one you want refuted? You believe in the devil which God refuted in the OT, besides that one,
and you believe the 16 amendment is unconstitutional, I believe non profits are.
Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.
Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.
Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?
You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:
The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf
Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …
https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf
Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem
New Jerusalem
Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"
The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.
Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
He is a Mormon? That explains it. Nothing to see here except the circus elephants folding up the tents.
He says that he is a graduate of some bible college of indeterminate denomination and then has something to do with some Mormon faction.
I also do not understand what some declaration that the United States was founded as a Christian nation would accomplish.
Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?
You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:
The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf
Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …
https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf
Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem
New Jerusalem
Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"
The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.
Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.
You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?
Those to whom you refer as "our forefathers" were Puritans, Quakers, Episcopalians, Catholics, Baptists, Calvinists, and those of some other Christian denominations who were all fleeing "the tyranny of King George," so I don't know how you would create another denomination that incorporates all of their teachings, as many are the opposite of each other and some even killed each other, even if such an endeavor would constitute a worthy cause.
I also do not understand what some declaration that the United States was founded as a Christian nation would accomplish. What happened 200-300 years ago is irrelevant to the nation we live in today. The people who were involved, and all the rest who were deliberately denied a public role in it, have been dead for a long time.
The purpose is not to incorporate all their teachings, but to incorporate the basic tenets of faith that gave America the ability to take the things they had in common and build the world's greatest nation.
There need not be any declaration that the United States is a Christian nation. It simply needs to be understood. As the old saying goes, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Every great empire fell by the wayside when people began c America has lost its national identity; its connection to history and the culture from which we sprang. We're trying to replace it and those who are replacing us are diametrically opposed to every founding principle that made America great.
AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION
This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56
After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.
In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.
The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.
People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.
America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
Common law - The feudal land law
There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.
The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.
Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?
I know who Porter Rockwell was.
Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.
Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.
I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.
Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)
You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.
I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.
Name one you want refuted? You believe in the devil which God refuted in the OT, besides that one,
and you believe the 16 amendment is unconstitutional, I believe non profits are.
You cannot refute a fact. God did not refute the Devil; he rebuked him. I'm not the only person that ever exposed the 16th Amendment. Try refuting this:
To disbelieve is not to disprove or refute. It's just you unwilling to accept the facts at hand.
AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION
This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56
After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.
In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.
The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.
People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.
America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
Common law - The feudal land law
There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.
The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.
Your new denomination? How many sects are there to Christianity and you need to create a new one?
I know who Porter Rockwell was.
Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.
Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.
I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.
Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)
You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.
I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.
Name one you want refuted? You believe in the devil which God refuted in the OT, besides that one,
and you believe the 16 amendment is unconstitutional, I believe non profits are.
You cannot refute a fact. God did not refute the Devil; he rebuked him. I'm not the only person that ever exposed the 16th Amendment. Try refuting this:
To disbelieve is not to disprove or refute. It's just you unwilling to accept the facts at hand.
I never claimed Winthrop was anything. Jefferson was a Christian - just not a mainstream Christian. This is from the source you quoted, but omitted the link:
"He was a Christian deist because he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher."
You like to dabble in half truths in order to cover up your ignorance. I'm a little more educated than that.
You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf
That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:
The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem
http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf
Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …
https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf
Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS
Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem
New Jerusalem
Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"
The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.
Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.
Since you are a Mormon, some preachers of Protestants believe you are not Christian, ie: Jeffress.
I am not a Mormon. Out of all those links, only one or two are connected to Mormons. Right now I've been working with some other people to establish a new denomination that adopts the tenets of faith our forefathers had when they were emigrating to America to get away from the tyranny of King George.
You are committed to ignorance, aren't you?
Those to whom you refer as "our forefathers" were Puritans, Quakers, Episcopalians, Catholics, Baptists, Calvinists, and those of some other Christian denominations who were all fleeing "the tyranny of King George," so I don't know how you would create another denomination that incorporates all of their teachings, as many are the opposite of each other and some even killed each other, even if such an endeavor would constitute a worthy cause.
I also do not understand what some declaration that the United States was founded as a Christian nation would accomplish. What happened 200-300 years ago is irrelevant to the nation we live in today. The people who were involved, and all the rest who were deliberately denied a public role in it, have been dead for a long time.
The purpose is not to incorporate all their teachings, but to incorporate the basic tenets of faith that gave America the ability to take the things they had in common and build the world's greatest nation.
There need not be any declaration that the United States is a Christian nation. It simply needs to be understood. As the old saying goes, when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Every great empire fell by the wayside when people began c America has lost its national identity; its connection to history and the culture from which we sprang. We're trying to replace it and those who are replacing us are diametrically opposed to every founding principle that made America great.
Who has ever come here who has been "diametrically opposed to every founding principle that made America great"? State what group that has arrived here from Europe, Asia, Africa, the Americas, or anywhere else, who has not signed on to basic American principles.
I never claimed Winthrop was anything
AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION
This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56
After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.
In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.
The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.
People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.
America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
Common law - The feudal land law
There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.
The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.
Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.
Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.
I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.
Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)
You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.
I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.
Name one you want refuted? You believe in the devil which God refuted in the OT, besides that one,
and you believe the 16 amendment is unconstitutional, I believe non profits are.
You cannot refute a fact. God did not refute the Devil; he rebuked him. I'm not the only person that ever exposed the 16th Amendment. Try refuting this:
To disbelieve is not to disprove or refute. It's just you unwilling to accept the facts at hand.
AMERICA IS STILL A CHRISTIAN NATION
This is a continuation of posts 1 , 2, 7, 17, 35, 39, and 56
After suffering ignorant people (of whom I have little patience with - ESPECIALLY when they make assumptions and never ask questions) I got a little off track.
In the posts between 56 and this one I had to prove that Jefferson was a Christian. The stupidity of non-believers on that one is astonishing. But, a lot of people fall for the argument of non - believers because this discussion lacks context.
The founders / framers of the Constitution were mortal men. They were sinners - even those who were dedicated Christians. Throughout their lives they would have varying views on the Bible. You have probably gone through some of it yourselves. We don't believe; someone convinces you differently so you believe; a radical change in our lives (like a bad experience with a religious group or a dramatically change in life like a death or major health issue) and people change their views again.
People like Jefferson, Washington, etc., etc. were also politicians. So, it becomes hard to deduce what they were really about at varying stages of their lives. That is why I used the law - statutes, Compacts, Charters, and references within our system to show where we developed our cultural values from.
America uses the common law to interpret our laws. That system is based on Anglo Saxon jurisprudence.
Common law - The feudal land law
There is the general influence of the Bible through the medium of the Christian religion upon the law. It has been often said, indeed, that Christianity is part of the common law of England, and this is due in great measure to the authority of Sir Matthew Hale (King v. Taylor, i Vent. 293, 3 Keble 507), Blackstone and other writers, while Lord Mansfield held (Chamberlain of London v. Evans, 1767) that the essential principles of revealed religion are part of the common law.
The next time you want to know how the courts arrive at a decision, it is via the common law. So, in short, our system of interpreting the law is predicated upon the way the Bible is interpreted - Commandments, like statutes are given and the courts apply fact situations to the law in the same way the Bible explains the application of law.
Yes, I know who Porter Rockwell was as well. But, it is a board name. I like a lot of people whose religious beliefs differ from my own. And those links were not limited to LDS sites either.
Since I cannot accept the premise that Joseph Smith was ever a prophet, I'm not a Mormon. It's as simple as that. The Bible College I graduated from was non-denominational. They would later join forces with the LDS and I made my exit. But, if you think you're a mind reader (when you cannot even access links and read them) feel free to believe whatever you like.
I would come closer to supporting the link by Sheldon Emry except that his no devil doctrine was something I could not subscribe to. I don't know how many denominations we have right now, but had you actually read the thread and accessed the links, you'd figure it out: No denomination is in line with what the founders / framers believed.
Yes I know, why because no denomination believed the founders believed it was to be a Christian nation , and all white nation, except a few zealots believe that. What is your response to the saying:
NASB
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these. (there doesn't seem to be a devil)
You have not been able to refute one, single, solitary sentence I've written so if being an ass, making that kind of claim makes you think you'll feel good, have at it. We both realize that the one thing I am not is a zealot.
I want to be going in the direction this country was moving when we led the world by every metric.
Name one you want refuted? You believe in the devil which God refuted in the OT, besides that one,
and you believe the 16 amendment is unconstitutional, I believe non profits are.
You cannot refute a fact. God did not refute the Devil; he rebuked him. I'm not the only person that ever exposed the 16th Amendment. Try refuting this:
To disbelieve is not to disprove or refute. It's just you unwilling to accept the facts at hand.
Not in the OT, God said he creates good as well as evil.
Also God sent a angel out to bring evil to Job, just not to kill him, all according to scripture.
Suddenly the devil turns up again in the NT, to find out if Jesus was not succumbing to temptations, how do we know God didn't send him like he sent the angel in Job. We don't.
Who gave the 10 plagues to Egypt. God according to scripture.
Also Jefferson took out Jesus's miracles , his resurrection, his born of a virgin, he considered him a wise man. Not a God. Also Jefferson thought the book of Revelation was wrote by a crazed person.
I never claimed Winthrop was anything
I pulled the name from your sloppy dissertation. Why did you cite Winthrop then? For a allegedly being a well educated man you sure are sloppy with your language and arguments.
so far Jefferson believed Jesus was a great moral teacher and nothing more. And note ax true religious Christian leader had nothing to do with the founding.
i Thought I’d find a challenge here.
Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation. Be forewarned, I will not respond to posts that are more than twelve or so paragraphs. If we are going to discuss the issue, it has to be a few things at a time. Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation.
As soon as one says that the atheists and other non-believers will start with their lies and straw man arguments. They will tell you that I just said America was founded as a theocracy. AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A THEOCRACY. IT WAS FOUNDED AS A REPUBLIC BASED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.
Politics is nothing more than religion in action. Our sense of right and wrong are all predicated on moral values and we got from biblical precepts. The very first governing document of the New World was the Mayflower Compact. It states:
In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and “advancements of the Christian faith”
Okay, I’m well aware that St. Augustine is the oldest city in the U.S, the Spaniards were there before the colonists and that other colonists preceded those on the Mayflower. That Mayflower Compact was the first GOVERNING document of the New World. Colonization and founding are synonymous.
The First Charter of Virginia of 1606 stated:
“We greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, to a settled and quiet government.”
Similar language attesting to our Christian roots during this period would be the Second Charter of Virginia of 1609, Third Charter of Virginia 1611 – 1612, The Charter of New England 1620, Ordinances For Virginia, July 24, 1621, The Charter of Massachusetts Bay 1629, and I will add more to the chorological order each time I post.
In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World. That sermon has been cited by U.S. statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. It defines WHO the colonists were and what their objective was in the New World. Any sermon being quoted by American politicians 300 years later deserves to be examined. Here is a link to it and it is a must read if you want to add intelligent commentary to this thread:
https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf More to come
I think that it would be appropriate to point out that this nation, which you claim to be founded as a Christian nation, was also founded as a slave nation. That pretty much negates any positive Christian values that were involved during the founding.
Complete utter B.S. and an outright LIE. The Constitution had a provision for gradually phasing out the slave trade.
The Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves of 1807 (2 Stat. 426, enacted March 2, 1807) is a United States federal law that provided that no new slaves were permitted to be imported into the United States. It took effect in 1808, the earliest date permitted by the United States Constitution.
It didn't matter, they used domestic slaves and used children, and it took a civil war and it still didn't end, and it took the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and still it doesn't mean much. My gosh, women were not allowed to vote till 1920.
Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.
Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.
"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!
Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.
Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.
"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!
Quote what the Bible says about slavery every time it appears in the Bible. Use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to locate each and every passage. Post them.
I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. if you have any moral compass at all, you will acknowledge that it is evil.Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.
Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.
"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!
Quote what the Bible says about slavery every time it appears in the Bible. Use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to locate each and every passage. Post them.
I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. if you have any moral compass at all, you will acknowledge that it is evil.
You cannot, by any metric define what's right and what's wrong. See my above response in post # 56. I'd bet dollars against doughnuts that if I came to your house and tossed everything you own that was made in countries that utilize some form of slave labor, you probably wouldn't own a damn thing.
You want to set the bar really high. How high do you set it for yourself? OR do you just want to find fault with Christians when you know that your own soul is troubled? That's a rhetorical question. Don't bother answering it.
I find fault with Christians who self-righteously rationalize slavery by the founding fathers who supposedly created an American country of "Christian values".
I cited Winthrop as he articulated why the colonists were coming here and the principles upon which we were establishing this "shining city on a hill."
I never claimed Winthrop was anything
You are a sad representation of a US CitizenAmerica is a nation comprised mostly of Christians
We are NOT a Christian nation
This is the kind of typical dumbassery that I find personally offensive. A crackpot joins the discussion to make a point that has already been refuted, but he's too stupid to read the thread and get caught up to speed. THAT was an example of why these boards don't work very well.
Yes, America IS a Christian nation and we've proven it. At the beginning of each of my relevant posts to prove it I am telling posters which posts I have that follow the general narrative. That way, even with idiocy like you just posted, people can find the facts IF they are so inclined.
Other than that, I can't fix stupid.
