America Founded as a Christian Nation

[Porter Rockwell]

Year of the Bible - The Proclamation


111th Congress, 1st Session, H. Con. Res. 121
Encouraging the President of the United States to designate 2010 as
“The National Year of the Bible”
In the House of Representatives --- May 7, 2009

Mr. BROUN (for himself, Mr. WESTMORELAND, Mr. FORBES, Mr. PENCE, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. FRANKS, Mr. JORDAN, Mr. WAMP, Mr. LAMBORN, Mr. GOHMERT, Mr. AKIN, Mr. CARTER, Mr. MARCHANT, and Mr. MCGOVERN) submitted the following concurrent resolution; which was referred to the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

Whereas the Bible has had a profound impact in shaping America into a great nation;

Whereas deep religious beliefs stemming from the Old and New Testament of the Bible have inspired Americans from all walks of life, especially the early settlers, whose faith, spiritual courage, and moral strength enabled them to endure intense hardships in this new land;

Whereas many of our Presidents have recognized the importance of God and the Bible, including George Washington; Franklin D. Roosevelt; Harry Truman; John F. Kennedy; Ronald Reagan, who declared 1983 as “The National Year of the Bible”; and especially Abraham Lincoln, whose 200th Birthday Celebration in 2009 highlighted freedom for the slaves;

Whereas shared Biblical beliefs unified the colonists and gave our early leaders the wisdom to write the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, both of which recognized the inherent worth, dignity, and inalienable rights of each individual, thus unifying a diverse people with the right to vote, and the freedoms of speech and vast religious freedoms, which inspired courageous men like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. to lead the Civil Rights Movement;

Whereas the Bible has been the world’s best selling book since it was first published in English in 1526, and has influenced more people than any other book;

Whereas the Bible has been a cornerstone in the development of Western civilization, influencing the nations in the areas of history, law, politics, culture, music, literature, art, drama, and especially moral philosophy;

Whereas the Bible, used as a moral guide, has inspired compassion, love for our neighbor, and the preciousness of life and marriage, and has stimulated many benevolent, faith-based community initiatives and neighborhood partnerships that have healed and blessed our families, communities, and our entire Nation, especially in times of war, tragedy, and economic and social crisis;

Whereas the Bible has inspired acts of patriotism that have unified Americans, commemorated through shared celebrations such as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day, Presidents Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas; and

Whereas 2010 is an appropriate year to designate as “The National Year of the Bible”: Now, therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), That the President is encouraged—
(1) to designate an appropriate year as “The National Year of the Bible”; and
(2) to issue a proclamation calling upon citizens of all faiths to rediscover and apply the priceless, timeless message of the Holy Scripture which has profoundly influenced and shaped the United States and its great democratic form of government, as well as its rich spiritual heritage, and which has unified, healed and strengthened its people for over 200 years.

While I do not agree with all of the above, it is on the right track. You should not have holidays honoring communists or pagan holidays in a Christian nation. But, to each his own.

 

[Bezukhov]

It's in the Constitution and again, WHITES DID NOT INVENT SLAVERY

True! If non Whites were involved with slavery that meant it was Good, Moral and Jesus Approved that White Christians get involved with Slavery.

More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It's in the Constitution and again, WHITES DID NOT INVENT SLAVERY

True! If non Whites were involved with slavery that meant it was Good, Moral and Jesus Approved that White Christians get involved with Slavery.

More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

 

[Bezukhov]

It's in the Constitution and again, WHITES DID NOT INVENT SLAVERY

True! If non Whites were involved with slavery that meant it was Good, Moral and Jesus Approved that White Christians get involved with Slavery.

More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

 

[Vandalshandle]

I Interrupt My Own Thread To Respond The Slavery Issue

There is no correlation between slavery and the Bible. For all those who try to make it an issue, let us set the record straight. In America:

* Slaves ate better in America than their blue collar, white contemporaries who were "free"

* They lived in better housing than their blue collar, white counterparts

* They were paid wages and fewer than 25 percent of them ever worked in cotton fields. Many of them were skilled craftsmen and received a stipend for their work

Time on the Cross - Wikipedia

https://www.amazon.com/Time-Cross-Economics-American-Slavery/dp/0393312186&tag=ff0d01-20


* The facts still remain that those who keep bitching about slavery fail to admit that we were under British control until 1789 AND the framers began abolishing slavery in the United States Constitution and follow up federal statutes

* Those who complain about slavery are willing to give up their own labor without studying the 16th Amendment. The 16th Amendment is one of two blatantly illegal amendments to the Constitution AND the 16th Amendment is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto

* So that communism can be self perpetuating those same people wailing about slavery have no problem with socialized medicine. If they were working, they would see it as being evil when those who won't work expect you to cover their medical care.

Let's not even consider that the best way to get a job in America is through an employment agency that gets you a job, the "man" sits sit in cozy office while you sweat your butt off and they are making money off YOUR labor. We just put a little lipstick on that pig and pretend people have a choice.

As has been aptly pointed out, those who preach about slavery being evil are dedicated to the Democrats... and WHO was it that forced the illegally ratified 14th Amendment through Congress on the pretext of making blacks equal to whites? It was not the Democrats.

https://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Was the Fourteenth Amendment Constitutionally Adopted? | Abbeville Institute

When you have legal researchers, civil libertarians, ministers, and even judges questioning the 14th Amendment, it's time to think it over.

Somehow those pabulum puking political propaganda prostitutes that hate Christianity so much don't access links. They want to judge Christians on the basis of slavery... of which they don't know a damn thing about. Meanwhile, they are satisfied to be led by the descendants of the people and the party that perpetuated the institution of slavery.

I guess that helps them be proud of that group who tolerate Muslims that want to convert or kill us. They even had one serve as president for TWO TERMS. These are the same people giving refuge to the LGBTQP community and represent the very worst of mankind.

Somehow, it is acceptable for America to give refuge to the races that started slavery, practiced it before, during and after America became a nation AND still practice it. They get a free pass... as do those people in America whose families profited off slavery not to mention the blacks in places like Sierra Leone who sold their brethren into slavery. They hypocrisy of it all sucks the big suck.

 

[Vandalshandle]

It didn't matter, they used domestic slaves and used children, and it took a civil war and it still didn't end, and it took the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and still it doesn't mean much. My gosh, women were not allowed to vote till 1920.

Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.



Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.

"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!

Quote what the Bible says about slavery every time it appears in the Bible. Use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to locate each and every passage. Post them.

I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. if you have any moral compass at all, you will acknowledge that it is evil.

It didn't matter, they used domestic slaves and used children, and it took a civil war and it still didn't end, and it took the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and still it doesn't mean much. My gosh, women were not allowed to vote till 1920.

Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.



Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.

"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!

Quote what the Bible says about slavery every time it appears in the Bible. Use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to locate each and every passage. Post them.

I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. if you have any moral compass at all, you will acknowledge that it is evil.

You cannot, by any metric define what's right and what's wrong. See my above response in post # 56. I'd bet dollars against doughnuts that if I came to your house and tossed everything you own that was made in countries that utilize some form of slave labor, you probably wouldn't own a damn thing.

You want to set the bar really high. How high do you set it for yourself? OR do you just want to find fault with Christians when you know that your own soul is troubled? That's a rhetorical question. Don't bother answering it.

I find fault with Christians who self-righteously rationalize slavery by the founding fathers who supposedly created an American country of "Christian values".

 

[Gdjjr]

Jesus followed no man's lead.

Yet, Christianity and christians demand that Individuals follow a teaching, believed to be, from a higher power- how is that compatible with Liberty? And before you go off on a tangent, keep in mind "I get it", in reference to Liberty.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

It's in the Constitution and again, WHITES DID NOT INVENT SLAVERY

True! If non Whites were involved with slavery that meant it was Good, Moral and Jesus Approved that White Christians get involved with Slavery.

More dumbassery. You should sue your brains for non-support... presuming you have any left. See post # 56 and then you can get off this thread. You're afraid to talk about the OP. So you want to harp on an issue you've been programmed, Pavlovian style, to talk about when you don't know squat about it.

Jesus followed no man's lead. The colonists who rebelled got rid of slavery. What part of that don't you understand? It's just not a biblical issue.

True, slavery wasn't a biblical issue. Jesus never said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

Are you lost? I responded to this before. This is NOT a thread about slavery. If you have a Socialist Surveillance Number ...ooops "Social Security Number," and live in the United States, you are little more than chattel property of a private corporation.

Now, we're talking about whether or not America was founded as a Christian nation. If you're so illiterate you don't understand that, please exit and show you have some class. OR, if you're that insecure that I can prove my point, feel free to troll this thread and prove what a bunch of assholes atheists really are and what living under their form of slavery is REALLY about... censorship, trolling and all.

Okay, back to the OP. When did Jesus command His followers to set up "Christian Nations", where they would have the opportunity to lord over and dominate everyone else?

You should try reading the thread. Here are some of our stopping points:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf

That is the most important link on this thread and it was in the first two posts. You didn't even read that far??? Here are some more:

The Old Jerusalem is Not the New JerUSAlem

http://www.kimmillerconcernedchristians.com/Unsealings/1425.pdf

Founders Online: To George Washington from the Members of the New Jerusalem Chu …

https://www.americanantiquarian.org/proceedings/44517596.pdf

Apocalypticism Explained | Apocalypse! FRONTLINE | PBS

Our Father's Kingdom of America: America the New Jerusalem

New Jerusalem

Full text of "Sheldon Emry-The Marks Of Israel"

The premise of this thread is to show that America was founded as a Christian nation. The above links show that premise to be accurate and that the belief that not only were we founded on Christian principles, but America was the New Jerusalem.

Now, can we return to the OP? You really aren't even going to click on the links anyway.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I Interrupt My Own Thread To Respond The Slavery Issue

There is no correlation between slavery and the Bible. For all those who try to make it an issue, let us set the record straight. In America:

* Slaves ate better in America than their blue collar, white contemporaries who were "free"

* They lived in better housing than their blue collar, white counterparts

* They were paid wages and fewer than 25 percent of them ever worked in cotton fields. Many of them were skilled craftsmen and received a stipend for their work

Time on the Cross - Wikipedia

https://www.amazon.com/Time-Cross-Economics-American-Slavery/dp/0393312186&tag=ff0d01-20


* The facts still remain that those who keep bitching about slavery fail to admit that we were under British control until 1789 AND the framers began abolishing slavery in the United States Constitution and follow up federal statutes

* Those who complain about slavery are willing to give up their own labor without studying the 16th Amendment. The 16th Amendment is one of two blatantly illegal amendments to the Constitution AND the 16th Amendment is a plank out of the Communist Manifesto

* So that communism can be self perpetuating those same people wailing about slavery have no problem with socialized medicine. If they were working, they would see it as being evil when those who won't work expect you to cover their medical care.

Let's not even consider that the best way to get a job in America is through an employment agency that gets you a job, the "man" sits sit in cozy office while you sweat your butt off and they are making money off YOUR labor. We just put a little lipstick on that pig and pretend people have a choice.

As has been aptly pointed out, those who preach about slavery being evil are dedicated to the Democrats... and WHO was it that forced the illegally ratified 14th Amendment through Congress on the pretext of making blacks equal to whites? It was not the Democrats.

https://www.constitution.org/14ll/no14th.htm

The Fourteenth Amendment is Unconstitutional - Judge L.H. Perez

Was the Fourteenth Amendment Constitutionally Adopted? | Abbeville Institute

When you have legal researchers, civil libertarians, ministers, and even judges questioning the 14th Amendment, it's time to think it over.

Somehow those pabulum puking political propaganda prostitutes that hate Christianity so much don't access links. They want to judge Christians on the basis of slavery... of which they don't know a damn thing about. Meanwhile, they are satisfied to be led by the descendants of the people and the party that perpetuated the institution of slavery.

I guess that helps them be proud of that group who tolerate Muslims that want to convert or kill us. They even had one serve as president for TWO TERMS. These are the same people giving refuge to the LGBTQP community and represent the very worst of mankind.

Somehow, it is acceptable for America to give refuge to the races that started slavery, practiced it before, during and after America became a nation AND still practice it. They get a free pass... as do those people in America whose families profited off slavery not to mention the blacks in places like Sierra Leone who sold their brethren into slavery. They hypocrisy of it all sucks the big suck.

Thank you for your uneducated attempts to derail this thread.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.



Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.

"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!

Quote what the Bible says about slavery every time it appears in the Bible. Use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to locate each and every passage. Post them.

I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. if you have any moral compass at all, you will acknowledge that it is evil.

Failure to immediately live up to ones principles, does not mean the intent was not real.



Once again, your post is structured as though your words support your conclusion, but they actually don't.

"God, I really tried to set my slaves free, but the devil made me keep them!

Quote what the Bible says about slavery every time it appears in the Bible. Use Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible to locate each and every passage. Post them.

I don't give a rat's ass what the Bible says. if you have any moral compass at all, you will acknowledge that it is evil.

You cannot, by any metric define what's right and what's wrong. See my above response in post # 56. I'd bet dollars against doughnuts that if I came to your house and tossed everything you own that was made in countries that utilize some form of slave labor, you probably wouldn't own a damn thing.

You want to set the bar really high. How high do you set it for yourself? OR do you just want to find fault with Christians when you know that your own soul is troubled? That's a rhetorical question. Don't bother answering it.

I find fault with Christians who self-righteously rationalize slavery by the founding fathers who supposedly created an American country of "Christian values".

I have as little respect for what you think as you have for mine. Your B.S. opinion has been destroyed by the facts and your misrepresentations are a reflection of what you are.

 

[Gdjjr]

Serious Questions

 

[Lysistrata]

Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation. Be forewarned, I will not respond to posts that are more than twelve or so paragraphs. If we are going to discuss the issue, it has to be a few things at a time. Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation.

As soon as one says that the atheists and other non-believers will start with their lies and straw man arguments. They will tell you that I just said America was founded as a theocracy. AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A THEOCRACY. IT WAS FOUNDED AS A REPUBLIC BASED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

Politics is nothing more than religion in action. Our sense of right and wrong are all predicated on moral values and we got from biblical precepts. The very first governing document of the New World was the Mayflower Compact. It states:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.


Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and “advancements of the Christian faith”

Okay, I’m well aware that St. Augustine is the oldest city in the U.S, the Spaniards were there before the colonists and that other colonists preceded those on the Mayflower. That Mayflower Compact was the first GOVERNING document of the New World. Colonization and founding are synonymous.

The First Charter of Virginia of 1606 stated:

“We greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, to a settled and quiet government.”

Similar language attesting to our Christian roots during this period would be the Second Charter of Virginia of 1609, Third Charter of Virginia 1611 – 1612, The Charter of New England 1620, Ordinances For Virginia, July 24, 1621, The Charter of Massachusetts Bay 1629, and I will add more to the chorological order each time I post.

In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World. That sermon has been cited by U.S. statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. It defines WHO the colonists were and what their objective was in the New World. Any sermon being quoted by American politicians 300 years later deserves to be examined. Here is a link to it and it is a must read if you want to add intelligent commentary to this thread:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf More to come

Regardless of the language in any of these documents and the disregard for the beliefs of people already here when the Europeans arrived in North America in their respective Christian factions and sects, and the disregard for people of other faiths, there has never been any singular or definitive "Christian" religion.

You can't use a generalization like "Christian" when you are dealing with the hundreds-of-years-old disputes between the Christian factions of Europe that they brought with them here. Christians have been split for centuries, wrecking each other's churches, banishing, beating, or executing Christians of different sects. Look up Ann Hutchinson, Mary Dyer and the Boston Martyers, William Penn (as in Pennsylvania), the Salem Witch Trials, etc. Look up the hostility of the the protestants to the arrival of Catholics. I even once saw, somewhere in the American South, a billboard insulting Catholic Christians.

No, we were not founded as a "Christian nation." We do not have any idea of what this would even mean.

BTW: aren't so many of these guys in the spotlight Baptist clergy? Graham, Sharpton, and many more. The Baptists seem to be split all kinds of ways. How do you tell the Baptists apart?

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Jesus followed no man's lead.

Yet, Christianity and christians demand that Individuals follow a teaching, believed to be, from a higher power- how is that compatible with Liberty? And before you go off on a tangent, keep in mind "I get it", in reference to Liberty.

America was started as a Christian nation. No force is being applied. Under the original Constitution as written and intended, Liberty is an unalienable Right.

We were the only government that protected the Rights of all people even though they were prohibited from being a part of the body politic. Don't confuse Liberty with citizenship. The U.S. has spent TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS on other people so they could have their own homeland and then we deny it to ourselves, knowing the outcome thereof.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation. Be forewarned, I will not respond to posts that are more than twelve or so paragraphs. If we are going to discuss the issue, it has to be a few things at a time. Bottom line: America was founded as a Christian nation.

As soon as one says that the atheists and other non-believers will start with their lies and straw man arguments. They will tell you that I just said America was founded as a theocracy. AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED AS A THEOCRACY. IT WAS FOUNDED AS A REPUBLIC BASED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

Politics is nothing more than religion in action. Our sense of right and wrong are all predicated on moral values and we got from biblical precepts. The very first governing document of the New World was the Mayflower Compact. It states:

In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.


Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and “advancements of the Christian faith”

Okay, I’m well aware that St. Augustine is the oldest city in the U.S, the Spaniards were there before the colonists and that other colonists preceded those on the Mayflower. That Mayflower Compact was the first GOVERNING document of the New World. Colonization and founding are synonymous.

The First Charter of Virginia of 1606 stated:

“We greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God, and may in time bring the Infidels and Savages, living in those parts, to human Civility, to a settled and quiet government.”

Similar language attesting to our Christian roots during this period would be the Second Charter of Virginia of 1609, Third Charter of Virginia 1611 – 1612, The Charter of New England 1620, Ordinances For Virginia, July 24, 1621, The Charter of Massachusetts Bay 1629, and I will add more to the chorological order each time I post.

In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World. That sermon has been cited by U.S. statesmen including, but not limited to JFK and Ronald Reagan. It defines WHO the colonists were and what their objective was in the New World. Any sermon being quoted by American politicians 300 years later deserves to be examined. Here is a link to it and it is a must read if you want to add intelligent commentary to this thread:

https://www.casa-arts.org/cms/lib/PA01925203/Centricity/Domain/50/A Model of Christian Charity.pdf More to come

Regardless of the language in any of these documents and the disregard for the beliefs of people already here when the Europeans arrived in North America in their respective Christian factions and sects, and the disregard for people of other faiths, there has never been any singular or definitive "Christian" religion.

You can't use a generalization like "Christian" when you are dealing with the hundreds-of-years-old disputes between the Christian factions of Europe that they brought with them here. Christians have been split for centuries, wrecking each other's churches, banishing, beating, or executing Christians of different sects. Look up Ann Hutchinson, Mary Dyer and the Boston Martyers, William Penn (as in Pennsylvania), the Salem Witch Trials, etc. Look up the hostility of the the protestants to the arrival of Catholics. I even once saw, somewhere in the American South, a billboard insulting Catholic Christians.

No, we were not founded as a "Christian nation." We do not have any idea of what this would even mean.

BTW: aren't so many of these guys in the spotlight Baptist clergy? Graham, Sharpton, and many more. The Baptists seem to be split all kinds of ways. How do you tell the Baptists apart?

Yes, we were founded as a Christian nation. If it were so bad in America we would not have been blessed when we had all those cited laws on the books.

Man is not perfect. They are all sinners. You just have an expectation that is unrealistic for any society. But, the bottom line is, if it were so great somewhere else, you'd pack your rags and take the next public conveyance there.

 

[Gdjjr]

America was started as a Christian nation. No force is being applied. Under the original Constitution as written and intended, Liberty is an unalienable Right.

We were the only government that protected the Rights of all people even though they were prohibited from being a part of the body politic. Don't confuse Liberty with citizenship. The U.S. has spent TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS on other people so they could have their own homeland and then we deny it to ourselves, knowing the outcome thereof.

I "get it" where Liberty is concerned and while at one time I believed the constitution was for citizens, my knowledge has evolved to inhabitants- knowledge evolves, Truth is constant.
Coercion isn't just a government action. Coercion is simply soft force and people are coerced to accept a belief they may or may not be inclined to. Therefore the choice of the word "demand".

 

[Porter Rockwell]

America was started as a Christian nation. No force is being applied. Under the original Constitution as written and intended, Liberty is an unalienable Right.

We were the only government that protected the Rights of all people even though they were prohibited from being a part of the body politic. Don't confuse Liberty with citizenship. The U.S. has spent TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS on other people so they could have their own homeland and then we deny it to ourselves, knowing the outcome thereof.

I "get it" where Liberty is concerned and while at one time I believed the constitution was for citizens, my knowledge has evolved to inhabitants- knowledge evolves, Truth is constant.
Coercion isn't just a government action. Coercion is simply soft force and people are coerced to accept a belief they may or may not be inclined to. Therefore the choice of the word "demand".

Liberty is an unalienable Right and applies to all men. Citizenship is a privilege. It appears to me that all sides forget that and conflate the two.

 

[Gdjjr]

Liberty is an unalienable Right and applies to all men. Citizenship is a privilege. It appears to me that all sides forget that and conflate the two.

Again, I don't want to hi jack your thread but I started this thread
A new, ethical, church proposal
to specifically address that all men are created equal and have certain unalienable rights and it appears some christians took
offense- I guess I shouldn't have used the word church- LOL

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Due to popular request I am starting a thread covering the fact that America was begun as a Christian nation.

There were Christians involved in the founding and revolt against the King,

How many currently immersed and obsessed with Christianity today would have appreciated one if the greatest minds of all the founders declaring that the Christian Bible is full of political dung. Nice word for bullshit.

• Jefferson was most comfortable with Deism, rational religion, and Unitarianism.[3] He was sympathetic to and in general agreement with the moral precepts of Christianity.[4] He considered the teachings of Jesus as having "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man,"[5] yet he held that the pure teachings of Jesus appeared to have been appropriated by some of Jesus' early followers, resulting in a Bible that contained both "diamonds" of wisdom and the "dung" of ancient political agendas.[6]. Religious views of Thomas Jefferson - Wikipedia

 

[Gdjjr]

How many currently immersed and obsessed with Christianity today would have appreciated one if the greatest minds of all the founders declaring that the Christian Bible is full of political dung. Nice word for bullshit.

LOL- bovine excrement- Jefferson was, IMO, one of the most intellectual minds ever- a deep thinker, but he also recognized that knowledge evolves which led him to the conclusions you posted which can be found https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/jeffersons-religious-beliefs-

 

[NotfooledbyW]

In 1630, John Winthrop delivered a sermon aboard the Arbella as it sailed toward the New World.

John Winthrop was a settler not a founder. Jefferson was a founder and Jefferson was a Diest not a Christian.