America before the EPA

[OohPooPahDoo]

DOCUMERICA: Images of America in Crisis in the 1970s - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

IF YOU LIKE BREATHING SMOG, GETTING RID OF THE EPA IS A GREAT IDEA.

 

[Chris]

How about the rivers that used to catch fire.....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PtqSvwyNsQ]Cuyahoga River burning, 1969: My experience - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Ernie S.]

Yup the rivers don't burn anymore, there are requirements for disposing chemicals and the air is cleaner than it has been since the 20's. All good, but now it's grown to where a friggin owl can put thousands of loggers out of work, it takes 10 years to get an oil field in operation and a naturally occurring gas is a pollutant. Give a bureaucracy the power to write law and it will become a monster.

 

[Chris]

Yup the rivers don't burn anymore, there are requirements for disposing chemicals and the air is cleaner than it has been since the 20's. All good, but now it's grown to where a friggin owl can put thousands of loggers out of work, it takes 10 years to get an oil field in operation and a naturally occurring gas is a pollutant. Give a bureaucracy the power to write law and it will become a monster.

Bullshit.

Ever heard of fracking....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A]CAN YOU DO THIS WITH YOUR TAP WATER? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Flopper]

DOCUMERICA: Images of America in Crisis in the 1970s - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

IF YOU LIKE BREATHING SMOG, GETTING RID OF THE EPA IS A GREAT IDEA.

Yep.

When a thick fog engulfed London from December 5 to December 9, 1952, it mixed with black smoke emitted from homes and factories to create a deadly smog. This smog killed approximately 12,000 people and shocked the world into starting the environmental movement.

A study in 1956 reported, in the 35 worst-affected smog areas in the US, there were 15,000 more pneumonia deaths over eight years than the national average.

Burning Rivers reported on the increase in 1952.

Air pollution kills in Donora, Pennsylvania. An unusual temperature inversion lasting six days blocks dispersal of emissions from zinc smelting and blast furnaces. Out of a total population of 14,000 people, 20 die, 600 others become ill, and 1400 seek medical attention.

Visibility is drastically reduced by dense smog in Los Angeles. Air pollution is blamed for causing 2000 auto accidents in a single day.

A group of University of Southern California students watch as the tie worn by one student changes color before their eyes. Later, chemical engineers determined that dyes in the fabric of the tie reacted with certain air pollutants occurring at particularly high levels that day

In New York City, a three-day temperature inversion over Thanksgiving weekend is blamed for the deaths of 168 people.

Sulfur dioxide pollution emitted by industries near Gary, Indiana and East Chicago becomes potent acid rain that burns lawns, eats away tree leaves, and causes birds to lose their feathers.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

DOCUMERICA: Images of America in Crisis in the 1970s - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

IF YOU LIKE BREATHING SMOG, GETTING RID OF THE EPA IS A GREAT IDEA.

Yep.

When a thick fog engulfed London from December 5 to December 9, 1952, it mixed with black smoke emitted from homes and factories to create a deadly smog. This smog killed approximately 12,000 people and shocked the world into starting the environmental movement.

A study in 1956 reported, in the 35 worst-affected smog areas in the US, there were 15,000 more pneumonia deaths over eight years than the national average.

Burning Rivers reported on the increase in 1952.

Air pollution kills in Donora, Pennsylvania. An unusual temperature inversion lasting six days blocks dispersal of emissions from zinc smelting and blast furnaces. Out of a total population of 14,000 people, 20 die, 600 others become ill, and 1400 seek medical attention.

Visibility is drastically reduced by dense smog in Los Angeles. Air pollution is blamed for causing 2000 auto accidents in a single day.

A group of University of Southern California students watch as the tie worn by one student changes color before their eyes. Later, chemical engineers determined that dyes in the fabric of the tie reacted with certain air pollutants occurring at particularly high levels that day

In New York City, a three-day temperature inversion over Thanksgiving weekend is blamed for the deaths of 168 people.

Sulfur dioxide pollution emitted by industries near Gary, Indiana and East Chicago becomes potent acid rain that burns lawns, eats away tree leaves, and causes birds to lose their feathers.

All wonderful stuff.

 

[Chris]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEB_Wwe-uBM&feature=related]Fracking Hell: The Untold Story - YouTube[/ame]

 

[martybegan]

Yup the rivers don't burn anymore, there are requirements for disposing chemicals and the air is cleaner than it has been since the 20's. All good, but now it's grown to where a friggin owl can put thousands of loggers out of work, it takes 10 years to get an oil field in operation and a naturally occurring gas is a pollutant. Give a bureaucracy the power to write law and it will become a monster.

Bullshit.

Ever heard of fracking....

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01EK76Sy4A]CAN YOU DO THIS WITH YOUR TAP WATER? - YouTube[/ame]

You do know that can also happen in areas where the gas bearing strata are naturally shallow and fragmented? Also this can occur from biogenic methane, not those from natural gas.

Finally, yes you have to regulate hydrofracking to make sure it is done away from any aquifers, and that you regulate the waste products. But regulate is not the same as making the rules so difficult that you de facto ban the practice, instead of going for a de jure ban.

The EPA has its place, the problem is that it has taken care of the big stuff, so in its own eyes, it has to keep proving its need by going into areas it doesnt have to.

 

[Warrior102]

I see the same thing driving over the Delaware Memorial Bridge into New Jersey in the morning.

Ever see the sun/smog in Los Angeles in the morning? Try it - anytime.

Your fucking point is what ?

 

[Lovebears65]

No one is saying to get rid of the EPA but it needs to be cut back. When they start telling people they cant build on their own land because they deemed it wetland and said owners prove its not they still say you cant build because WE SAID SO. Its wrong...North Idaho Couple Takes Land Dispute With EPA To Supreme Court - News Story - KXLY Spokane

 

[Mr. H.]

Fracking Hell: The Untold Story - YouTube

This video references the "new drilling technology called hydraulic fracturing".

New- as in 60 years old? Great propaganda piece this one.

 

[Flopper]

No one is saying to get rid of the EPA but it needs to be cut back.

Cain, Paul, and Perry if he can remember the name, have said they would dump the EPA. Major polluters in the oil, gas, and the coal industry have kept a steady stream of anti-EPA propaganda flowing into the media hoping to blame the slow economy on EPA.

 

[rightwinger]

You don't have to go back 40 years

All you have to do is visit China to see the results of unchecked industrialists seeking profit above all else

 

[boilermaker55]

Yup the rivers don't burn anymore, there are requirements for disposing chemicals and the air is cleaner than it has been since the 20's. All good, but now it's grown to where a friggin owl can put thousands of loggers out of work, it takes 10 years to get an oil field in operation and a naturally occurring gas is a pollutant. Give a bureaucracy the power to write law and it will become a monster.

Keep your eyes closed to what money and corporate amercian business will do when there is no agency with the power to make them do what is right.
MANN V. FORD by Maro Chermayeff & Micah Fink - Documentary Film @ Brooklyn Film Festival
"synopsis
One of the worst environmental disasters in the United States is located just 19 miles from New York City. This toxic Superfund site is at the former home of the Ford Motor Plant in Mahwah, NJ, which was the country's largest car factory when it opened in 1955. Thousands of cars were produced over the following decades, along with a mountain of toxic paint sludge, which was dumped on the nearby lands of the Ramapough Mountain Indians. This film tells the story of Wayne Mann, the leader of a small Native American community, who stands up to Ford. It spans from Ford's factory floors to the marbled halls of Congress. It is a tale of groundbreaking victories, including the first Superfund site ever re-listed by the EPA. It is also the story of terrible deaths and defeats. MANN v. FORD follows a community's mission to clean up the toxic byproduct of the American Dream, and to seek justice for themselves and their families."
And if you read the entire article, the EPA was paid by Ford to allow them to persuade the local municipalities that the environment was cleaned up correctly.

 

[Vaard]

DOCUMERICA: Images of America in Crisis in the 1970s - Alan Taylor - In Focus - The Atlantic

IF YOU LIKE BREATHING SMOG, GETTING RID OF THE EPA IS A GREAT IDEA.

or as republicans call them, the "good old days"........

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I see the same thing driving over the Delaware Memorial Bridge into New Jersey in the morning.

Ever see the sun/smog in Los Angeles in the morning? Try it - anytime.

Your fucking point is what ?

Major smog incidents in the US:

1948, October 30–31, Donora, PA: 20 died, 600 hospitalized, thousands more stricken. Lawsuits were not settled until 1951.[18]
1953, November, New York: Smog kills between 170 and 260 people.[18]
1954, October, Los Angeles: heavy smog shuts down schools and industry for most of the month.[18]
1963, New York: blamed for 200 deaths[19]
1966, New York: blamed for 169 deaths[19]

Smog - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Hmm, funny, there's no major smog incident in the U.S. after 1970 when the EPA was created. Gee, coincidence?

Jeez, I dunno, maybe enforcement of the Clean Air Act has something to do with it?

Smog Deaths In 1948 Led To Clean Air Laws : NPR

Why does the right insist on discarding history?