America Before the Entitlement State

[daveman]

Correct.

Not such a ‘nice try,’ however.

The advent of modern industrialization rendered the ‘natural regulators’ of capitalism ineffective, including the ‘labor market.’ The doctrine of ‘freedom/liberty to contract’ became moot by the First Quarter of the 20th Century.

As millions moved into cities and urban areas from farms and other rural venues, the ability to find work became more difficult and the likelihood of unemployment became greater regardless a job seeker’s efforts.

Economic crises such as the Great Depression made it mandatory for government to provide public assistance and other social programs.

Conservative dogma as to the unilateral creation of ‘entitlements’ by government as some nefarious conspiracy to ‘control society’ is rightist paranoid idiocy.



Not to mention being subject to infection and diseases with no treatment and cure only to be dead by the age of 50. African Americans and women wouldn’t think it such a fine time, either.

Yet another leftist who believes without government holding his hand, the clock turns back two centuries.

Yeah...nevermind personal responsibility. That is unheard of on the left.

Personal responsibility? How...quaint.

 

[Trajan]

Who needs a nanny state?

I recognize the lady and her cildren in that picture.

Thats Florence Owens Thompson, photo taken by Dorothea Lange, one of the subsequent photos of Florence ( ‘the migrant mother&#8217 were called an icon of the depression.

We’ll just pretend Dorothea never promised Florence she would not publish the photos or that good old Dorothea ( Columbia 1917) never made up an over wound uber maudlin story about her, and that I am sure Dorothea ate pretty well off the proceeds too, but what sticks with me is, the year.


1936……..


see how that works?

 

[Trajan]

Who needs a nanny state?

it appears that you tit sucking liberals need a nanny state, that's who.

Those who lived through the first couple of winters when the first settlers arrived in America and those who lived through the dust bowl had probably the worst of any group of Americans in our history. But they got through it, and as a result formed the backbone of an amazing uniquely American culture that propelled us to be the greatest nation the world has ever known. Actually we didn't start retreating from that until the entitlement mentality started kicking in.

 

[Trajan]

Who needed welfare when you had the kids to chip in and help?

no, what you needed was labor laws.

hello, can't you lefties keep your reasons to gripe straight for christs sakes?

 

[Trajan]

Are Republicans seriously pining for the "good old days" when the elderly were eating cat food?

When people and sometimes their children had to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week in coal mines just to barely scrape by on company scrip.

You mean before those nasty unions made people's lives bearable.

oh, so the dems give a shit about private labor now? humm, okay then.

 

[rdean]

Funny that the right wing is always comparing the left to "communists". But take a look at history. When communists take over a country, the people they go after are the educated, the skilled, in other words, the "academic elite". They leave most of the uneducated alone. That means it would be the liberals and the Democrats who have something to fear. The Republicans? Uh, not so much.

 

[AquaAthena]

It won't be an entitlement state for long. the gimmmie gimmmie mo mo mo taker crowd is fixin to overtake the giver crowd,, and lot's of givers have given up giving and moved.. to greener pastures.. so the gimmmie gimmmie crowd better come up with a plan B..

...So what do they have left? Make all private property ownership illegal? Everything you have is courtesy of the benevolence of the state? I belive if this keeps up? That is where we are headed. (And these boneheaded moochers will applaud all the way).

If and when we lose private property rights, we are officially powerless and the gummint becomes a dictatorship. We lose all rights and freedoms and our current president with his "war on prosperity," will have all power and control. **Salute**

 

[Ropey]

It won't be an entitlement state for long. the gimmmie gimmmie mo mo mo taker crowd is fixin to overtake the giver crowd,, and lot's of givers have given up giving and moved.. to greener pastures.. so the gimmmie gimmmie crowd better come up with a plan B..

...So what do they have left? Make all private property ownership illegal? Everything you have is courtesy of the benevolence of the state? I belive if this keeps up? That is where we are headed. (And these boneheaded moochers will applaud all the way).

If and when we lose private property rights, we are officially powerless and the gummint becomes a dictatorship. We lose all rights and freedoms and our current president with his "war on prosperity," will have all power and control. **Salute**

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWAsHoDIlGk]Roger Daltrey, Giving It All Away. - YouTube[/ame]

Oh yes!

 

[midcan5]

More nonsense from the soulless corporate puppets on the right. America is full of people who take for granted their lifestyles as they point fingers at 'words' like 'entitlement' taught to them so they don't have to think. Consider life before entitlements whatever that may mean to the heartless righties and spoon feed ideologues.

A bit of history before those bad entitlements.

Soup Kitchens and Bread Lines — Men Eating Soup During Great Depression — History.com Photo Galleries

soup lines during the great depression - Google Search


"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24

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[dblack]

More nonsense from the soulless corporate puppets on the right. _

Ahh... give 'em a break, midcan. They're just doing their best to keep up with the soulless corporate puppets on the left. They don't wanna get left behind, after all.

 

[OODA_Loop]

that generation would work

today's ? not so much

 

[bripat9643]

Wasn't a Democrat in office then?

More nonsense from the soulless corporate puppets on the right. America is full of people who take for granted their lifestyles as they point fingers at 'words' like 'entitlement' taught to them so they don't have to think. Consider life before entitlements whatever that may mean to the heartless righties and spoon feed ideologues.

A bit of history before those bad entitlements.

Soup Kitchens and Bread Lines — Men Eating Soup During Great Depression — History.com Photo Galleries

soup lines during the great depression - Google Search


"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24

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[rightwinger]

Funny that the right wing is always comparing the left to "communists". But take a look at history. When communists take over a country, the people they go after are the educated, the skilled, in other words, the "academic elite". They leave most of the uneducated alone. That means it would be the liberals and the Democrats who have something to fear. The Republicans? Uh, not so much.

The uneducated are more compliant and easier to manipulate, that is why the communi.........I mean Republicans want them as a workforce

 

[rightwinger]

it appears that you tit sucking liberals need a nanny state, that's who.

Those who lived through the first couple of winters when the first settlers arrived in America and those who lived through the dust bowl had probably the worst of any group of Americans in our history. But they got through it, and as a result formed the backbone of an amazing uniquely American culture that propelled us to be the greatest nation the world has ever known. Actually we didn't start retreating from that until the entitlement mentality started kicking in.

Thanks to the left.

Actually the dustbowl was caused by unchecked environmental neglect......kind of like the path conservatives are pursuing with unchecked global warming

Conservatives are preparing us for a second dust bowl....this one much worse

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It won't be an entitlement state for long. the gimmmie gimmmie mo mo mo taker crowd is fixin to overtake the giver crowd,, and lot's of givers have given up giving and moved.. to greener pastures.. so the gimmmie gimmmie crowd better come up with a plan B..

...So what do they have left? Make all private property ownership illegal? Everything you have is courtesy of the benevolence of the state? I belive if this keeps up? That is where we are headed. (And these boneheaded moochers will applaud all the way).

If and when we lose private property rights, we are officially powerless and the gummint becomes a dictatorship. We lose all rights and freedoms and our current president with his "war on prosperity," will have all power and control. **Salute**

Do conservatives only whine about contrived, unsubstantiated nonsense or do they ever come into contact with reality once and a while; or facts, for that matter, some facts would be good, too.

 

[francoHFW]

America Before the Entitlement State

You mean before the SECOND Pub Great Depression, ya brainwashed hater Pub dupe- jfc! A-holes!

 

[daveman]

Those who lived through the first couple of winters when the first settlers arrived in America and those who lived through the dust bowl had probably the worst of any group of Americans in our history. But they got through it, and as a result formed the backbone of an amazing uniquely American culture that propelled us to be the greatest nation the world has ever known. Actually we didn't start retreating from that until the entitlement mentality started kicking in.

Thanks to the left.

Actually the dustbowl was caused by unchecked environmental neglect......kind of like the path conservatives are pursuing with unchecked global warming

Conservatives are preparing us for a second dust bowl....this one much worse

If you had anything other than emotionalism, you might be interesting to talk to.

I didn't say the left caused the dustbowl, moron. I said the left has fostered and encouraged the entitlement mentality.

This is undeniable. Don't even bother trying.

 

[Bfgrn]

The term "entitlement" originally referred to aristocrats. Aristocrats had titles, and they thought that they were thereby entitled to various things, particularly the deference of the common people. Everyone else, by contrast, was dependent on the aristocrats.

America Before the Entitlement State

In 1962, the highest mass standard of living in the world was definitely not shared by all. There was "another America": 40 to 50 million citizens who were poor, who lacked adequate medical care, and who were "socially invisible" to the majority of the population. Within this poverty-stricken group were more than 8 million of the 18 million Americans who were 65 years of age and over, suffering from a "downward spiral" of sickness and isolation. And although there were half a million Americans in nursing homes, less than 60 percent of the homes were considered acceptable (Harrington, 1962). Medicare was formed in a society with idealistic expectations of wealth for all-at least for all of those who "deserved" it yet increasingly isolated its minorities and its poor.

There were evident rifts in American society in the early 1960s, by race, age, class, and gender. Demographic changes after World War II had created communities filled with contrasts. The flight of relatively young, affluent, middle-class families to new suburbs created inner cities with disproportionate numbers of elderly and minority Americans. The stage was set for summers of racial violence, urban decay, and declining tax revenues for city schools, hospitals, and social services. In cities such as Newark, New Jersey, and Washington, DC, African-Americans represented a majority of the population by the early 1960s. Physicians migrated to the suburbs with other white-collar workers, leaving the hospital emergency room as a primary source of care for many urban dwellers. Emergency department visits increased by 16 million, or 175 percent, between 1954 and 1964, and the quality of care was often tenuous. Among the complaints: Physicians were overworked; they were reluctant to take on weekend and evening duty; and as suburbanites beset by worsening traffic conditions, they could not respond promptly to emergency calls (Silver, 1966).

Wider social rifts permeated the structure of health care and its institutions. These too were often socially "invisible"; that is, taken for granted and commented on rarely until the late 1950s. Herbert Klarman (1962) did a study of hospital patients in 1957 that described the rigid pattern of stratification and segregation by class and race in New York City. In New York's for-profit hospitals and in the private and semi-private accommodations of notfor-profit hospitals, patients designated "white" were virtually the only patients (97 percent and 96 percent, respectively). The wards of not-for-profit hospitals provided accommodations for poorer (or uninsured) members of society; here the proportion of white people was lower (66 percent). But in the municipal hospitals, the backbone of welfare medical care, the great majority of patients were Puerto Rican, African-American, and members of races other than white (Klarman, 1962). In the South, there was formal racial segregation, although this was beginning to be challenged effectively. "Disease and Death Know No Race" proclaimed the signs carried by protesters at the Grady Hospital in Atlanta in 1962, where a group of African-Americans had taken over the lounge of the "whites-only" outpatient clinic (Newsweek, 1962).

The contrast between wish and reality (the wish for a truly Great Society and the reality of conflict and division) forms an essential first theme for understanding the years before Medicare. In effect, Medicare was to be a means of transforming the elderly into paying consumers of hospital services. Medicaid, with its continuing welfare stigma, was to cover those who were "indigent." Legislative proposals from the first Forand bill in 1957, through the Kennedy-Anderson proposals, to the signing of the Medicare legislation in July 1965, stressed the inability of the private market to meet the needs of older, retired Americans who could not afford medical care when they were sick, rather than the needs of all Americans who were uninsured. As a group, the elderly were significantly poorer than the working population, their medical needs were much greater, and insurance coverage, where it did exist, included only a minority of total health care costs.'

 

[midcan5]

Wasn't a Democrat in office then?

More nonsense from the soulless corporate puppets on the right. America is full of people who take for granted their lifestyles as they point fingers at 'words' like 'entitlement' taught to them so they don't have to think. Consider life before entitlements whatever that may mean to the heartless righties and spoon feed ideologues.

A bit of history before those bad entitlements.

Soup Kitchens and Bread Lines — Men Eating Soup During Great Depression — History.com Photo Galleries

soup lines during the great depression - Google Search


"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Proverbs 31:8-9

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24

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I suggest you read a bit of history, start here and see my replies. http://www.usmessageboard.com/history/180822-i-welcome-their-hatred-fdr.html

Or go straight to it: Timeline of the Great Depression and Summary

 

[editec]

It wasn't charity that created the middle class, folks.

It was hard-fought-for workers rights that made the middle class possible.

And as those rights have been eroded?

So too is the middle class and our American way of life threatened.