America Before the Entitlement State

[Greenbeard]

What was the 19 century like for women, blacks, Indians, children, the poor and workers?

Dickensian utopia.

 

[bripat9643]

Great.So build a time machine and go back to the 19th century if you think its so great. Have fun no getting to bathe everyday!

Yeah, right. So if we want to get rid of all the pernicious legislation passed in the 20th Century, that means the scientific and technical advancements that occurred will disappear?

This kind of idiocy is what passes for logic among libturds.

 

[bripat9643]

Are Republicans seriously pining for the "good old days" when the elderly were eating cat food?

Wasn't a Democrat in office then?

 

[bripat9643]

What was the 19 century like for women, blacks, Indians, children, the poor and workers?

Dickensian utopia.

It was much better than the 18th century. Thank capitalism for that.

 

[bripat9643]

I think someone is viewing American history through rose colored glasses

Anyone seen pictures of early 1900s tenements with typhus and smallpox running through them? Seen sweat shops and child labor?

People were vaccinated for smallpox in the early 18th Century. Typhus was caused by drinking water contaminated with sewage. Private sewer companies have been around since the invention of the toilet.

Look at the life of small rural farmers who starved when the crops failed. How about some nice images of the dust bowls of the 1930s?

Yes, Republicans, those were the good ole days before the nanny state and the entitlement society

You have pictures of starving Americans? I would like to see those. I've never seen a picture of a staving American in my life.

I didn't know Roosevelt prevented the dust bowl. Didn't that occur during his administration?

 

[bripat9643]

What was the 19 century like for women, blacks, Indians, children, the poor and workers?

Dickensian utopia.

You're a Dickensian imbecile

 

[Wiseacre]

I should've known: if you can't beat 'em, demagogue 'em. What utter tripe, apparently nobody on the left read the entire OP, let alone the link. There was some gov't social programs, mostly at the state and local level, which is where it should be. But it was a very small part of the overall solution to the problems of social justice. There are alternatives, both cheaper and more effective than a fucked up federal bureaucracy that is rife with fraud, waste, and abuse.

But no, the left wants a nanny state. Paid for by the rich of course, who have endless streams of money and will happily fork it over without issue. Fuck it, why don't we cut the crap and just switch over to a socialist state right fucking now and save us all a lot of time and grief. We'll be the biggest fucking banana republic the world has ever seen, but what the hell we'll by God have income equality.

 

[Foxfyre]

It really doesn't matter what period of history you look at, the effect of entitlements seems to be the same. What immediate relief is provided is counter balanced by a sense of 'letting somebody else do it because I don't have to anymore' plus decimation of the traditional family because a daddy in the home cuts down on the entitlements, and a tendency for sub par performance lest the person move past the range and not be eligible for the freebies anymore.

The legacy of government entitlement is the rat infested, deteriorating projects, people trapped in almost permanent unemployment, one of the poorest education systems in the free world, African Americans with the highest crime rates and highest unemployment rates of any single demographic, Native Americans who live in deplorable conditions on reservations subsidized by the government, and you can go right down the list to find ten negatives for every positive.

But some of our friends call that compassion. And think it was far worse when there were no government entitlements.

 

[rightwinger]

The good ole days when people looked out for each other

 

[WillowTree]

By today's guidelines, both Mr. Foxfyre and I started out in abject poverty. His dad was a sharecropper ekeing out a meager living on less than prime farmland. I had an irresponsible and often absentee father and my mother worked two jobs at poor wages and paid the nanny housekeeper who looked after us kids more than she had left over for herself and us.

But we had a roof over our heads, fresh eggs from the farm, whole milk straight from the cow, fresh butter from the churn, fresh in summer and canned in winter organic vegetables from the garden, a hog salt curing in the 'smoke house', and because our folks knew how to sew great clothing from flour sacks and could do the necessary repairs to shoes and torn jeans and overalls, it never occurred to us that we were poor.

And there were no government handouts to be had from anywhere. The neighbors rallied to help the burned out or flooded out family or chipped in when somebody was especially down on their luck. We got by. Nobody starved. Nobody went without any necessity of life. Nobody felt the town or the state or the country owed them a thing or that it should provide anything that we didn't work for. And most of the time we were happy and content with our lives while always looking to make it better. And we did.

Compare that to whole groups of people today made dependent on government handouts and who have developed such a entitlement mentality that they have developed no skills, no instinct for survival, are essentially helpless to help themselves, to support themselves, to fend for themselves. They are angry, miserable, often violent against their neighbors and society in general, frequently turn to drugs and crime and other antisocial behavior. They think they are mistreated and deserve better, but it does not occur to them that they should look to themselves to make things better.

But some call that 'compassion'.

The personification of the leftwingmoochermentality.. you see it on parade with the COWS

 

[WillowTree]

The good ole days when people looked out for each other

there is a big difference in "looking out for" and panhandling would you not agree?

 

[rightwinger]

Who needs a nanny state?

 

[WillowTree]

It really doesn't matter what period of history you look at, the effect of entitlements seems to be the same. What immediate relief is provided is counter balanced by a sense of 'letting somebody else do it because I don't have to anymore' plus decimation of the traditional family because a daddy in the home cuts down on the entitlements, and a tendency for sub par performance lest the person move past the range and not be eligible for the freebies anymore.

The legacy of government entitlement is the rat infested, deteriorating projects, people trapped in almost permanent unemployment, one of the poorest education systems in the free world, African Americans with the highest crime rates and highest unemployment rates of any single demographic, Native Americans who live in deplorable conditions on reservations subsidized by the government, and you can go right down the list to find ten negatives for every positive.

But some of our friends call that compassion. And think it was far worse when there were no government entitlements.

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[WillowTree]

Who needs a nanny state?

it appears that you tit sucking liberals need a nanny state, that's who.

 

[Mr Natural]

Who needs a nanny state?

All those shiftless bums need to do is get their lazy asses out of that lean to and go find themselves some meaningful work.

For chrissakes there's four of them. I'm sure they could pool their resources and put some food on the table and decent roof over their heads.

 

[rightwinger]

Who needed welfare when you had the kids to chip in and help?

 

[The T]

It really doesn't matter what period of history you look at, the effect of entitlements seems to be the same. What immediate relief is provided is counter balanced by a sense of 'letting somebody else do it because I don't have to anymore' plus decimation of the traditional family because a daddy in the home cuts down on the entitlements, and a tendency for sub par performance lest the person move past the range and not be eligible for the freebies anymore.

The legacy of government entitlement is the rat infested, deteriorating projects, people trapped in almost permanent unemployment, one of the poorest education systems in the free world, African Americans with the highest crime rates and highest unemployment rates of any single demographic, Native Americans who live in deplorable conditions on reservations subsidized by the government, and you can go right down the list to find ten negatives for every positive.

But some of our friends call that compassion. And think it was far worse when there were no government entitlements.

Being told by those whom govern you that you're nothing without them is the supreme insult to liberty.

 

[Foxfyre]

Who needs a nanny state?

it appears that you tit sucking liberals need a nanny state, that's who.

Those who lived through the first couple of winters when the first settlers arrived in America and those who lived through the dust bowl had probably the worst of any group of Americans in our history. But they got through it, and as a result formed the backbone of an amazing uniquely American culture that propelled us to be the greatest nation the world has ever known. Actually we didn't start retreating from that until the entitlement mentality started kicking in.

 

[Mr Natural]

Who needed welfare when you had the kids to chip in and help?

Young punk like that could probably work a 16-hour day without even breaking a sweat.

 

[Greenbeard]

I should've known: if you can't beat 'em, demagogue 'em.

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But no, the left wants a nanny state. Paid for by the rich of course, who have endless streams of money and will happily fork it over without issue. Fuck it, why don't we cut the crap and just switch over to a socialist state right fucking now and save us all a lot of time and grief. We'll be the biggest fucking banana republic the world has ever seen, but what the hell we'll by God have income equality.

Now I'm wondering who the demagogue is. You meant not you, right?

If so, your post kind of undermines that.