America: A Christian Nation

[irosie91]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

Learn American history before you make such statements. The whole reason for coming here was so Europeans could worship as they saw fit and no longer be persecuted for their faith. This is a country founded on Christain beliefs. Over the years that aspiration has gotten diluted and screwed up, but that doesn't change the facts of how this nation began.

Learn history or you know, actually read the op.

^^^^^^ false advertising-------RIGHTS means we make of this thread that which we
wish it to be----------the above comment was made as an egotistical statement -----
by the very author of the OP--------disregard the self aggrandizement

 

[the_human_being]

Once again: Our Declaration of Independence says that "all men are CREATED equal. That they are endowed by their CREATOR - not endowed by their government.

Once again: The Constitution places a limit on the government preventing the government's interference in religion. Nowhere in the Constitution is there any limit placed upon religion interfering in government.
There is no such animal as "separation of church and state". It's simply not there. The limitation is upon the government - not on religion.

As the OP says, this nation was established on religious principles. The founding fathers placed limits upon the government in order to circumvent a tyrannical government such as what the had fled from.

 

[nuhuh]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

Learn American history before you make such statements. The whole reason for coming here was so Europeans could worship as they saw fit and no longer be persecuted for their faith. This is a country founded on Christain beliefs. Over the years that aspiration has gotten diluted and screwed up, but that doesn't change the facts of how this nation began.

America was a different nation by the time the Constitution was drafted. One hundred and fifty seven years in fact after the landing at Plymouth Rock. Almost the same amount of time from the beginning of the Civil War until now.

It has been written that the Founders were mostly Freemasons and believed that conscience should dictate your religious belief. Less than 10% of Americans at that time were members of a congregation as cities became smaller as the move to agriculture became important. Certainly the Puritan declaration was important, just not as important as the document that succeeded it the Constitution, which set the laws and was duly ratified by all of the states. It is the Constitution that guides us now and the reason for that was the Age of Enlightenment, where the Founders felt that religious freedom to pursue free will and find your own faith was more important than getting corralled into an organized religion dominating our political atmosphere.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

America is not a Christian nation. It is still, however, a nation of Christians.

 

[nuhuh]

American is not a Christian nation. It is still, however, a nation of Christians.

16.1% of Americans claim no religion. That's a sizable group being ignored.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

American is not a Christian nation. It is still, however, a nation of Christians.

16.1% of Americans claim no religion. That's a sizable group being ignored.

According to a 2014 study by the Pew Research Center, 70.6% of the American population identified themselves as Christians, with 46.5% professing attendance at a variety of churches that could be considered Protestant, and 20.8% professing Roman Catholic beliefs.

Clearly a majority.

 

[nuhuh]

American is not a Christian nation. It is still, however, a nation of Christians.

16.1% of Americans claim no religion. That's a sizable group being ignored.

According to a 2014 study by the Pew Research Center, 70.6% of the American population identified themselves as Christians, with 46.5% professing attendance at a variety of churches that could be considered Protestant, and 20.8% professing Roman Catholic beliefs.

Clearly a majority.

No doubt a majority but that's not what you said.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

That's precisely what I said.

ESL classes are no doubt available in your neighborhood. You should avail yourself of them.

 

[nuhuh]

You said we are a nation of Christians which is obviously untrue, we are many religions and non religions. Maybe you should avail yourself of some remedial reading and learning classes yourself.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You said we are a nation of Christians which is obviously untrue, we are many religions and non religions. Maybe you should avail yourself of some remedial reading and learning classes yourself.

Would you not call a room filled with 70% Democrats and 10% Reps, 10% Independents, 5% Greens and 5% Heaven's Gate folks a room of Democrats?

 

[nuhuh]

You said we are a nation of Christians which is obviously untrue, we are many religions and non religions. Maybe you should avail yourself of some remedial reading and learning classes yourself.

Would you not call a room filled with 70% Democrats and 10% Reps, 10% Independents, 5% Greens and 5% Heaven's Gate folks a room of Democrats?

No, why would I?

 

[frigidweirdo]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

Learn American history before you make such statements. The whole reason for coming here was so Europeans could worship as they saw fit and no longer be persecuted for their faith. This is a country founded on Christain beliefs. Over the years that aspiration has gotten diluted and screwed up, but that doesn't change the facts of how this nation began.

America was a different nation by the time the Constitution was drafted. One hundred and fifty seven years in fact after the landing at Plymouth Rock. Almost the same amount of time from the beginning of the Civil War until now.

It has been written that the Founders were mostly Freemasons and believed that conscience should dictate your religious belief. Less than 10% of Americans at that time were members of a congregation as cities became smaller as the move to agriculture became important. Certainly the Puritan declaration was important, just not as important as the document that succeeded it the Constitution, which set the laws and was duly ratified by all of the states. It is the Constitution that guides us now and the reason for that was the Age of Enlightenment, where the Founders felt that religious freedom to pursue free will and find your own faith was more important than getting corralled into an organized religion dominating our political atmosphere.

Well, America wasn't a nation until 1776, so....
But yes, it was different and the people who went over the sea to a new place went for reasons which included religion.

However many were moving away from a state where religion controlled the state. This is a fundamental part of what makes the US, that the religion doesn't control the state, that people are free to make their own religious choices.

 

[Conservative65]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

You mean like a Christian being told she has to do a job despite her religious beliefs while two Muslims get awarded $240,000 because they claimed religious beliefs meant they didn't have to do theirs?

 

[irosie91]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

You mean like a Christian being told she has to do a job despite her religious beliefs while two Muslims get awarded $240,000 because they claimed religious beliefs meant they didn't have to do theirs?

sit tight------it will get a bit worse before it gets LOTS BETTER

 

[frigidweirdo]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

You mean like a Christian being told she has to do a job despite her religious beliefs while two Muslims get awarded $240,000 because they claimed religious beliefs meant they didn't have to do theirs?

It's about consistency, which often doesn't exist.

Many people have argued that a Christian should do her job, or quit. Then a judge comes along and does something which goes against the principles of the country, it's a bit strange.

 

[Conservative65]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

You mean like a Christian being told she has to do a job despite her religious beliefs while two Muslims get awarded $240,000 because they claimed religious beliefs meant they didn't have to do theirs?

It's about consistency, which often doesn't exist.

Many people have argued that a Christian should do her job, or quit. Then a judge comes along and does something which goes against the principles of the country, it's a bit strange.

It's the inconsistency of those who demanded that Christian do her job then support 2 Muslims refusing to do theirs for the same reason that bothers me.

 

[frigidweirdo]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The USA is not a "Christian nation", it's a nation that's built upon the foundation of Human Rights, however much these have dwindled. Freedom of Religion being one thing that makes the USA what it is today.

However, too many people see Freedom of Rights as, they get their freedom to do what they like, but others, namely Muslims, don't.

You mean like a Christian being told she has to do a job despite her religious beliefs while two Muslims get awarded $240,000 because they claimed religious beliefs meant they didn't have to do theirs?

It's about consistency, which often doesn't exist.

Many people have argued that a Christian should do her job, or quit. Then a judge comes along and does something which goes against the principles of the country, it's a bit strange.

It's the inconsistency of those who demanded that Christian do her job then support 2 Muslims refusing to do theirs for the same reason that bothers me.

Well, inconsistency seems to be the staple diet of a message board such as this. How many people actually have principles they work off of and how many people just react to whatever?

 

[LOki]

" IN 1639, a group of New England Puritans drafted a constitution affirming their faith in God and their intention to organize a Christian Nation. Delegates from the towns of Windsor, Hartford, and Wethersfield drew up the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut, which made clear that their government rested on divine authority and pursued godly purposes. The opening lines express the framers' trust in God and their dependence on his guidance: "Forasmuch as it hath pleased the All-mighty God by the wise disposition of his divyne providence so to Order and dispose of things, . . . [and] well knowing where a people are gathered togather the word of God requires that to mayntayne the peace and vnion of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affayres of the people." Moreover, the aim of the government so instituted was religious: "to mayntayne and presearue the liberty and purity of the gospell of our Lord Jesus which we now professe, as also the disciplyne of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said gospell is now practised amongst vs."1 Like their neighbors in Massachusetts Bay, the Connecticut Puritans determined to plant a "Christian Commonwealth," what Governor John Winthrop hoped would become a "City upon a Hill" that would inspire believers everywhere as a model Christian Nation.2

Those Puritan Fathers exemplify two of the most enduring views of colonial America: America as a haven of religious freedom, and America as a Christian Nation."
Sample Chapter for Lambert, F.: The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America.

The freedom to oppress and/or persecute other religions is not religious freedom. The 1st Amendment is incompatible with the notion of a Christian nation.