Almost all of us are statist Progressives

[ScienceRocks]

Love Lewis! But his remarks do not apply to the methodology of 20th century progressiveness in a We the People constitutional republic. This is how we govern and have for more than a century.

They apply directly, and were aimed at it quite deliberately.

Enjoy the police, infrastructure, or seeing your country lead in science??? Then stop bitching and stop Opposing the funding of such.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Not at all. I know why you want a libertarian approach, but don't fret, it won't happen.

 

[dblack]

Not at all. I know why you want a libertarian approach, but don't fret, it won't happen.

You don't squat about me - other than that I call you on out on your bullshit.

 

[jon_berzerk]

who is asking the government to protect those rights --LOL

the Constitution was established to protect us "the people" from the government

Statist progressive righties believe abortion generally is a denial of human rights and thus Big Government must step in to protect those rights.

no one is asking the government to protect that your thinking as a lefty is showing through once again

Your language as a righty outs you.

Progressivism is neutral in political philosophy, using politics to make changes governmentally, economically, socially or culturally.

progressivism is far from neutral

I guess being hunter gathers is the thing for you!!!

what sort of idiotic statement is that

 

[dblack]

[emoji38] Statist progressive righties believe abortion generally is a denial of human rights and thus Big Government must step in to protect those rights.

no one is asking the government to protect that your thinking as a lefty is showing through once again

Your language as a righty outs you.

Progressivism is neutral in political philosophy, using politics to make changes governmentally, economically, socially or culturally.

progressivism is far from neutral

I guess being hunter gathers is the thing for you!!!

what sort of idiotic statement is that

Matthew is assuming that we'll all just shit ourselves without constant government supervision.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And that is why, dlblack, you and I kaz are here for grins and chuckles only. You say things that make no sense.

 

[Votto]

Many posters at USMB mistakenly use the term "Progressive" to demonize the Left. They fail to realize that if they want Big Government to further or prohibit their pet beliefs, that they too are Progressives. Progressivism asserts that human advancements are furthered by State political activism (statism) in changing social relationships, supporting technological innovations, regulating economic improvements, and scientific development.

Progressivism is a process and active philosophy encompassing the political spectrum from far right to far left, from libertarianism to authoritarianism. Hitler (the death camps), Stalin (collective agriculture), American pro-life (insisting on government prohibition of abortion) or anti-Marriage Equality, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, segregation in the American South – all are examples of Progressivism. All used politics in Big Government to change government, or society, or culture or economy to further the achievement of desired goals.

In America, certain of the left refer to themselves as Progressives in a limited, liberal sense. Some of their enemies demean them as such, not aware that they too are progressives in the operative sense of the word if they use Big Government to achieve their goals.

I prefer the term "collectivist".

These are people who are after power, and such power comes through collectivism.

Without collectivism, you cannot amass large support that generates mass wealth and world conquering armies. Those that refuse to participate will be crushed under foot.

Might makes right, so to speak. Just so long as they can amass a majority consensus everything is golden. This is why Hitler devoted himself to socialism and the nanny state. He knew that just so long as he took care of the German people financially he could sooth their war torn genocidal souls into compliance, and it worked!!

 

[dblack]

Many posters at USMB mistakenly use the term "Progressive" to demonize the Left. They fail to realize that if they want Big Government to further or prohibit their pet beliefs, that they too are Progressives. Progressivism asserts that human advancements are furthered by State political activism (statism) in changing social relationships, supporting technological innovations, regulating economic improvements, and scientific development.

Progressivism is a process and active philosophy encompassing the political spectrum from far right to far left, from libertarianism to authoritarianism. Hitler (the death camps), Stalin (collective agriculture), American pro-life (insisting on government prohibition of abortion) or anti-Marriage Equality, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, segregation in the American South – all are examples of Progressivism. All used politics in Big Government to change government, or society, or culture or economy to further the achievement of desired goals.

In America, certain of the left refer to themselves as Progressives in a limited, liberal sense. Some of their enemies demean them as such, not aware that they too are progressives in the operative sense of the word if they use Big Government to achieve their goals.

I prefer the term "collectivist".

These are people who are after power, and such power comes through collectivism.

Without collectivism, you cannot amass large support that generates mass wealth and world conquering armies. Those that refuse to participate will be crushed under foot.

Might makes right, so to speak. Just so long as they can amass a majority consensus everything is golden. This is why Hitler devoted himself to socialism and the nanny state. He knew that just so long as he took care of the German people financially he could sooth their war torn genocidal souls into compliance, and it worked!!

Yup. And they sell their ambitions to an unwitting public by convincing them that the state = society.

 

[Correll]

The funniest post of the morning: "But it is dishonest to judge them by your moral framework." I am not judging morally anyone.

Progressivism is neutrally a methodology of using Big State through politics to make social, cultural, political, and economic changes.

Almost all of us, including CrusaderFrank, are statist Progressives.

Kaz, to his credit in being constant and KevinKennedy, to his as well, is not.

I explained how you are.

A unsupported denial is not much of a rebuttal of my point.

And reasserting your premise is not a supporting argument.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I explained that Correll and dblack's comments are minimal in worth.

They make unsubstantiated assertions without evidence to a valid analysis of progressivism, then say I have to rebut them. No, I don't.

They can argue about the worth or not of progressivism, they can attack the analysis, but they haven't.

 

[Correll]

I explained that Correll and dblack's comments are minimal in worth.

They make unsubstantiated assertions without evidence to a valid analysis of progressivism, then say I have to rebut them. No, I don't.

They can argue about the worth or not of progressivism, they can attack the analysis, but they haven't.

I made a point, you have not addressed it.

Your analysis rests, at least in part, in you defining the motives and intents of others, in order to fit your pre arrived at conclusion.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jake is more Progressive than Flo

 

[dblack]

I explained that Correll and dblack's comments are minimal in worth.

They make unsubstantiated assertions without evidence to a valid analysis of progressivism, then say I have to rebut them. No, I don't.

They can argue about the worth or not of progressivism, they can attack the analysis, but they haven't.

I made a point, you have not addressed it.

Your analysis rests, at least in part, in you defining the motives and intents of others, in order to fit your pre arrived at conclusion.

In part? That motif describes Fakey's every post.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I explained that Correll and dblack's comments are minimal in worth.

They make unsubstantiated assertions without evidence to a valid analysis of progressivism, then say I have to rebut them. No, I don't.

They can argue about the worth or not of progressivism, they can attack the analysis, but they haven't.

I made a point, you have not addressed it. Your analysis rests, at least in part, in you defining the motives and intents of others, in order to fit your pre arrived at conclusion.

You merely babbled. Do you have a point? Attacking me in no way invalidates what I have analyzed.

Here it is again. Read it this time.

Progressivism is a process and active philosophy encompassing the political spectrum from far right to far left, from libertarianism to authoritarianism. Hitler (the death camps), Stalin (collective agriculture), American pro-life (insisting on government prohibition of abortion) or anti-Marriage Equality, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, segregation in the American South – all are examples of Progressivism. All are progressives who use politics of Big Government to change government, or society, or culture or economy to further the achievement of desired goals.

 

[JakeStarkey]

women's vote was the result of progressivism

direction election of senators was the result of progressivism

segregation in the South was the result of progressivism

integration and CR were the result of progressivism

prohibition and its repeal were both the result of progressivism

 

[dblack]

I explained that Correll and dblack's comments are minimal in worth.

They make unsubstantiated assertions without evidence to a valid analysis of progressivism, then say I have to rebut them. No, I don't.

They can argue about the worth or not of progressivism, they can attack the analysis, but they haven't.

I made a point, you have not addressed it. Your analysis rests, at least in part, in you defining the motives and intents of others, in order to fit your pre arrived at conclusion.

You merely babbled. Do you have a point? Attacking me in no way invalidates what I have analyzed.

Here it is again. Read it this time.

Progressivism is a process and active philosophy encompassing the political spectrum from far right to far left, from libertarianism to authoritarianism. Hitler (the death camps), Stalin (collective agriculture), American pro-life (insisting on government prohibition of abortion) or anti-Marriage Equality, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, segregation in the American South – all are examples of Progressivism. All are progressives who use politics of Big Government to change government, or society, or culture or economy to further the achievement of desired goals.

I see you've dropped statism from the mix. Good call. Progressivism and statism aren't the same things. Lose the Big Government nonsense and I could agree with the above statement.

 

[Votto]

Jake is more Progressive than Flo

Jake may be more progressive but he is not as cute.

 

[Votto]

women's vote was the result of progressivism

direction election of senators was the result of progressivism

segregation in the South was the result of progressivism

integration and CR were the result of progressivism

prohibition and its repeal were both the result of progressivism

Ending segregation was good thing, but it should not give one a free license to kill which it seems to have done.

Blacks are not better off than they were before segregation ended. Some may be better off financially, but the culture was not the drug infested and godless black void we see today in ghettos all around the country.

 

[Correll]

I explained that Correll and dblack's comments are minimal in worth.

They make unsubstantiated assertions without evidence to a valid analysis of progressivism, then say I have to rebut them. No, I don't.

They can argue about the worth or not of progressivism, they can attack the analysis, but they haven't.

I made a point, you have not addressed it. Your analysis rests, at least in part, in you defining the motives and intents of others, in order to fit your pre arrived at conclusion.

You merely babbled. Do you have a point? Attacking me in no way invalidates what I have analyzed.

Here it is again. Read it this time.

Progressivism is a process and active philosophy encompassing the political spectrum from far right to far left, from libertarianism to authoritarianism. Hitler (the death camps), Stalin (collective agriculture), American pro-life (insisting on government prohibition of abortion) or anti-Marriage Equality, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, segregation in the American South – all are examples of Progressivism. All are progressives who use politics of Big Government to change government, or society, or culture or economy to further the achievement of desired goals.

I already pointed out that, at least with the Pro-life issue, your judgement of it being a "prohibition of abortion" and thus an increased extension of government power rests on the premise that the fetus is NOT a citizens deserving the same protections as any other citizens.

As laws against killing other citizens is one of the most basic of functions of government, supporting such a function hardly deserves being lumped in with Stalin mass murders and genocide.

 

[Correll]

women's vote was the result of progressivism

direction election of senators was the result of progressivism

segregation in the South was the result of progressivism

integration and CR were the result of progressivism

prohibition and its repeal were both the result of progressivism

Repealing Prohibition would not be increasing the role of government but diminishing it.

Calling that Progressivism is expanding the term until it loses any modern relevance.

It is like claiming a Republic is any nation that is not a monarchy.

Useless.