Almost all of us are statist Progressives

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    Many posters at USMB mistakenly use the term "Progressive" to demonize the Left. They fail to realize that if they want Big Government to further or prohibit their pet beliefs, that they too are Progressives. Progressivism asserts that human advancements are furthered by State political activism (statism) in changing social relationships, supporting technological innovations, regulating economic improvements, and scientific development.

    Progressivism is a process and active philosophy encompassing the political spectrum from far right to far left, from libertarianism to authoritarianism. Hitler (the death camps), Stalin (collective agriculture), American pro-life (insisting on government prohibition of abortion) or anti-Marriage Equality, the Civil Rights Act, the Fair Housing Act, segregation in the American South – all are examples of Progressivism. All used politics in Big Government to change government, or society, or culture or economy to further the achievement of desired goals.

    In America, certain of the left refer to themselves as Progressives in a limited, liberal sense. Some of their enemies demean them as such, not aware that they too are progressives in the operative sense of the word if they use Big Government to achieve their goals.
     
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    A half a point.

    Wanting the Government to build, for example, a Panama Canal or a Transcontinental railroad is using government to try to improve the human condition.

    But on the other hand, ignoring that the modern Left wants to place the GOvernment above the Individual, for example by denying the Inherent Nature of Human Rights, and instead defining them as being GRANTED by the government, makes your clarification dangerous in the context of the current divide.

    If you want to personally use the term Leftist, Red or just, Asshole, then more power to you.

    But none of this should be construed as a defense of those on the Left and their devotion to the State.

    Do you agree?
     
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    I agree that the term progressive in and of itself is neutral and is used by all factions left to right.

    I also agree that when factions used statism (the politics and the law) to segregate people based on color or sends to the ovens, that that is right wing statist progressivsm, putting Government over people.
     
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    Racism is not unique to the Right, nor is genocide or mass murder.

    DO you believe that Human RIghts are inherent or are granted by the State?
     
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    ^ Jake finally out of the closet!
     
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    Jefferson said they are inalienable. The Amendments list them.
     
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    You area progressive statist, Frank; don't lie. :lol:
     
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    "progressives" camp in both parties

    the huckster is one of many
     
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    I asked what you believe.

    Do YOU believe that Human Rights are inherent or are granted by the State?
     
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    Immaterial. What do you believe? If you believe they are inalienable, granted by God, and you wish to use the government to protect those rights, then you are a progressive statist.
     

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