Allen West is a disgrace.

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    Please this slowly...then explain what an article 128 is. Jester, please focus on this for a second. What exactly is an article 128? Then get into article 134. You had the nerve to call me a poseur? Poseur, Allen West is a disgrace.

    While serving in Taji, Iraq, West received information from an intelligence specialist about a reported plot to ambush him and his men.[11] The alleged plot reportedly involved Yahya Jhodri Hamoodi, a civilian Iraqi police officer.[11] At first, West thought the reports were a joke...until a week later when several of his officers were ambushed when he was supposed to be traveling with them. At that point, Colonel West began taking the risk of a planned assassination attempt seriously. [11] West, who was not responsible for conducting interrogations in Iraq and had never conducted or witnessed one, had his men detain Hamoodi.[11] In the process of detaining Mr. Hamoodi, soldiers testified that Mr. Hamoodi appeared to go for his weapon and needed to be subdued.[11] Hamoodi was beaten by four of his soldiers from the 220th Field Artillery Battalion on the head and body.[12] West then fired his pistol near Hamoodi's head.[11] Hamoodi then provided West with names and information, what Hamoodi later described as "meaningless information induced by fear and pain."[11] At least one suspect was arrested as a result, but no plans for attacks or weapons were found.[11] West said "At the time I had to base my decision on the intelligence I received. It's possible that I was wrong about Mr. Hamoodi."[11]

    West was charged with violating articles 128 (assault) and 134 (general article) of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. During a hearing held as part of an Article 32 investigation in November 2003, West stated, "I know the method I used was not right, but I wanted to take care of my soldiers."[citation needed] The charges were ultimately referred to an Article 15 proceeding rather than court-martial, at which West was fined $5,000.[11] LTC West accepted the judgment and retired with full benefits in the summer of 2004. Asked if he would have act differently if under similar circumstances again, West testified, "If it's about the lives of my soldiers at stake, I'd go through hell with a gasoline can."[13] After Colonel West was relieved of his command, an interpreter said that without his presence the region he previously oversaw became more dangerous and chaotic.[11]





    (I am talking to military people for a minute here) there are rules and the ucmj is there for a reason. True?You violate it, you can get kicked out. Righty Mr. West? Civilians dont seem to get this. There are are reasons why you do missions you are responsible for. When you cross the line, you are in violation of the UCMJ. Righty Jester? This disgraced idiot was never responsible for that interrogation. That is why he was busted and in my opinion, they should not have given him a choice and they should have put him behind bars for 10 years.

    HE IS A DISGRACE. I know a lot of civilians will say so what, but the military has rules and this "officer" broke them. There are ways to complete mission while following the damn rules. I am going with the army and not some arm chair guy who says "so what"..he committed assult and I agree with the Army. He should have and did have to retire.

    God bless America.

    Jester, prove me wrong. This will be the hardest thing you have ever done but, If you dont like the link, prove me wrong with a different one that says he did't commit assult. You know, article 128 and dont forget article 134.


    Allen West (politician) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Allen West is GREAT!

    I love him.
     
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    West has more integrity and courage in his toenail clippings than Obama has in his wildest dreams.
     
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    Excellent retort. (You do know he violated the ucmj and was forced to retire dont you?)

    The army didnt want him, so of course you think he is "GREAT".
     
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    So Obama violated the ucmj like this pos west did? Civilians, violating the ucmj as an army officer is sort of looked down upon.
     
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    West is a hero who understands what leadership is. He sacrificed his own career to protect his soldiers.

    Good for him.
     
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    Allem West was a disgrace to his uniform.
     
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    He was not supposed to interrogate that man. He was not responsible to do this and the instant he did, he was in big, big military trouble. Career ending trouble. He not only crossed a line with that interrogation, he did it in an illegal way. You just cant do this. It is not the army way.

    The army has rules for a reason and an officer violating the ucmj in the field is about as bad as it gets.

    AGain, civlians wont get it and non hack military guys knows exactly how wrong this guy was.
     
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    he conducted an interrogations? really? dunderhead.. that all ya got?
     
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    I haven't seen anything where West has whined about being treated unfairly or said that the rules were wrong.

    He appears to have accepted the consequences of his actions like an adult.
     

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