All you welfare haters... how about this?

[GHook93]

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[GHook93]

Hipster the Defense budget is one of the areas that requires cutting but there are many areas that need to be cut also (and some that need to be raised). The Dimocrats refuse any of them. Here was my thread on federal budget.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2975195-post1.html
(1) Medicare ($468K), Medicaid and Chips: 21% = $753 Bil:
First things first, STOP giving free healthcare to Illegals. When Jose, Juan and Joe go to the hospital and only Joe has insurance and is going to pay, but Jose and Juan are illegals not paying dick! The cost gets pushed to Joe. Meaning healthcare costs go up simply because only one person can pay! Its robbery!
Second is to raise the ages for Medicare. Sorry, but we live longer and that needs to be considered. 65 half benefits if taken, 68 2/3 benefits and 70 ful benefits. Raising the rates will save a ton of money
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Medicaid. First things first, NO MEDICAID FOR ILLEGALS!!! Sorry CA but FUCK YOU! Illegal shouldn't get medicaid PERIOD! Like Obamacare or not, but the pre-existing condition eliminator will allow many who couldn't get health insurance the ability to get health insurance. It's one positive of the bill! Believe it or not this eliminates a problem Majority of the people on Chips and Medicaid are their because they can't get on private insurance! Other that Obamination is a complete failure/

Third, find a way to get off the employer based system. This puts our corporations at a huge disadvantage and the Fed loses money due to tax exemption (note: The tax exemption shouldn't go away or be reduced unless we find a way to get off the employer based system).

(2) Social Security 20% = $708 bil:
<Go the Chilean way and require 10% of everyone paychecks to be invested in private funds.>
http://www.usmessageboard.com/3597485-post1.html

(3) Defense 20% = $715 B (including $172 B for the 2 wars):
You would be dishonest to say that SS and Medicaid/care must be cut, but not defense. Look, defense needs to be cut. Leaving Iraq will save cash, but Afghanistan looks like years away from ending. Cut defense! Close some bases. Sorry, but it needs to be done! I hate saying it, but I know the danger of Islamic terror, but defense must be cut.

(4) Safety Net 14% = $482 B:

The explanation of what it is below! Basically it's entitlement spending!
First things first, NO FOOD STAMPS, WELFARE or ENTITLEMENTS for Illegals.
Second, cut them drastically and have at least welfare be temporary. Don't let people fall into a cycle of relying on it.
Third, means testing must apply
Fourth, don't penalize someone from getting married or having a job on welfare or section 8. People don't do either because they lose the benefits.
Fifth, only allow the "essential" food identies for food stamps. Make it for basic necessities only. It should be a life saver not a life enhancer!
Sixth, REQUIRE monthly drug tests for welfare and section 8! Sorry, but far too many drug addicts are on welfare!

Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go? &mdash; Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
will support programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship.

These programs include: the refundable portion of the earned-income and child tax credits, which assist low- and moderate-income working families through the tax code; programs that provide cash payments to eligible individuals or households, including Supplemental Security Income for the elderly or disabled poor and unemployment insurance; various forms of in-kind assistance for low-income families and individuals, including food stamps, school meals, low-income housing assistance, child-care assistance, and assistance in meeting home energy bills; and various other programs such as those that aid abused and neglected children.

(5) Interest on Debt 8% = $209 B:
This is the equivalent of a reckless person making $100K a year and have $80K in credit card debt! We need to pay this quick. Our interest payment to China should not be higher than 2% of the budget!

(6) Benefits for Federal Retirees (PENSION PLANS) 7%:
This is HIGHWAY FUCKING ROBBERY! Not a damn cent of tax payor money should go to pay pension plans. The private sector had to go from pension plans to individual retirement plans (like 401K), so why the hell shouldn't the GOVERNMENT! This should be an instance 7% savings! God Bless Scott Walker

(7) Transportation and Infrastructure 3%:
This is an are where there is a lot of waste and we constantly fix highways that don't need fixing. I know they want to provide jobs, but come on waste is waste!

(8) Education 3%:
This is an area we need to increase, but not on teacher pension plans! Rather on schools infrastructure etc.

(9) Scientific & Medical Research 2%:
This is actually an area we should increase! Starting with Stem Cell research!

(10) Non-security Interest International 1%:
So when people scream about those dirty Jews getting our tax dollar realize it a tiny portion of the debt. Ditto for Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Yemen, African nationsl fighting AIDS etc. It's a talking point for Jew hating leftist!

(13) All other Debt 4%:
This includes pork barrel spending. So truthfully that is a talking point. Yes it can be a starting point, but the real cutting must come from the Top 68% (SS, Medicare/caid, Defense and Pension Plans)

I am wary about cutting defense spending if Medicare, Medicaid, Safety Nets (Welfare and Entitlements), Social Security, Highway Robbery Federal Pension Plans, are not cut or reformed also!

When are the Republicans going to tackle the military budget? Cutting social security and welfare to increase military spending is not a cost reduction.

For Fiscal Year (FY) 2012, which begins on October 1, 2011, the Obama Administration has requested a base budget of $553 billion for the Department of Defense (DOD). This is $13 billion below the Pentagon’s Future Years Defense Program (FYDP) estimate, released last year, but represents about 3 percent in real growth over the funding the department would receive for FY 2011 under the current continuing resolution, which expires on March 4.
In addition, the Administration has requested $117.6 billion for Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO), to fight the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is a 26 percent decrease from last year’s request of $159.4 billion and represents the administration’s commitment to reduce troop levels in Iraq and Afghanistan and place more strict rules on what can and cannot be included in the war spending request. In the past, additional funding has been made available through emergency supplemental appropriations, when needed. This remains a possibility for FY 2012. This brings the FY 2012 defense budget request to a total of $670.6 billion.
These numbers do not include nuclear weapons related spending in the Department of Energy (DoE) or other defense related funding.
In addition to an initial $670 billion for the Pentagon’s base budget and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Administration has requested $18 billion for nuclear weapons activities at Department of Energy and $7 billion for additional non-Pentagon defense related activities. This brings total non-Pentagon defense related spending (053/054) to $25 billion, an increase of about $200 million over FY 2011.

Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation: Analysis of FY 2012 Budget Request

 

[Gadawg73]

Shouldn't we all HATE welfare?
Shouldn't we all strive to rid the nation of welfare and welfare recipients?
Shouldn't we encourage personal responsibility and the consequences of being lazy, undisciplined and stubborn?
Shouldn't the system be changed to make families responsible for their own?
Or continue to reward those that refuse to change their choices with cash and benefits taken from the disciplined at the point of a gun?

 

[NoNukes]

Take a look at the two richest men in AMerica: Warren BUffet and Bill Gates. Both are flaming liberals. The number of conservative wealthy people could be counted on one hand: the Kochs, the Coors family.


You only named two liberals

 

[The Rabbi]

Take a look at the two richest men in AMerica: Warren BUffet and Bill Gates. Both are flaming liberals. The number of conservative wealthy people could be counted on one hand: the Kochs, the Coors family.


You only named two liberals

Have you always been this brilliant?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

We start a new age "Conservation Corps"? If you don't know what the Conservation Corps was... then you are either.

A. Too young
B. Too ignorant of history.

Actually, it was the CCC, Civilian Conservation Corp and it was formed before I was born. And, it was for unemployed, unmarried men from families on relief only.

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[Mr.Fitnah]

Fixing the energy grid, roads, bridges and water supply with people on welfare!

That was done with the shovel ready jobs bil

 

[American Cowboy]

http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...lottery-and-continues-to-get-food-stamps.html

 

[thereisnospoon]

*IDIOT* Military is Constitutionally MANDATED...the others are NOT.

When are you IDIOTS gonna wake the Hell up out of your SOCIALIST stupor?

Oh..... so what you are saying is that because it is constitutionally deemed that we have a military... we need to bankrupt the country and make defense contractors fat, while the rest of the country slowly goes into a death spiral?

You call him an idiot? Yeah, you're a genius.

BTW... why don't you throw the word Socialist out a few more times.... that always works with simple minds.

No..He said the "military is Constitutionally mandated".
You however, have not a clue.
This thread has ZERO to do with defense contractors or any other of the liberal deflection talking points.
As much as you love unions, the fact is unions are on their way out. This move by Boeing is two fold and is a win win for the company and the workers.
One, Charleston has the second largest seaport on the east coast. Next, South Carolina is a right to work state which pretty much allows unions to do business as usual but prohibits compulsory union membership.
Last and most importantly, Boeing is paying wages which exceed the prevailing market wage for manufacturing jobs in the entire southeast.
The unions are pissing their pants because they are being closed out of the process. Not by Boeing but by the workers themselves. After taking a look at pay and benefits packages, the workers are better off without the unions. This follows the same pattern set by BMW which has a plant in Greer, SC. Again at BMW there is no union, but the workers are very well compensated.
Two things occur when companies pay near or at union scale. One the workers don't care to be union. Two the company while paying excellent wages gets productivity far and away of the unionized plants of similar size. Those are facts.
The stats back up those facts. 9% of the private sector is unionized. Nobody wants them.