all you obama haters etc....

[WillowTree]

How many times have you written about Obama as the "brock" man?

You're a racist nitwit, hon.

what a DUmmie you are,, brock is a play on Barak.. idiot. I said it thusly.. "thatbrockguy"

 

[strollingbones]

All that scratching you're hearing is the sound of people everywhere scratching off their "Dissent is patriotic" bumper stickers on their cars.

In all seriousness, half the country is disappointed with the outcome. They need to get over it and I believe they will.

To answer your question, I am a proud american with no ties to any party. To be honest I hold a lot of contempt for Democrat and Republican politicians. I feel they were derelict in their duty, put politics first, and let the US slide into this economic meltdown. In my opinion, no incumbent earned the privilege to hold on to their seat this past cycle.

the bumperstickers says "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"

 

[Gunny]

Did I miss this big appeal in 2000 calling for uniting the parties? I guess I did cuz what I saw was Bush take office and immediately begin to run the white house like he could do anything he damn well pleased and it only got worse after 9/11 cuz then he had an excuse to hide behind.

I see a bit of hypocrisy coming from BOTH sides. If you said that being against Bush was anti-American you can't really bitch about people saying that being against Obama is Anti-American. If you were against Bush you can't really say anything to those who are against Obama. It works both ways IMO.

Then you saw what you wanted to instead of what was. Bush tried and got the finger. Give ME the finger after I offer the olive branch and I'll say "fuck you" too.

Otherwise, it appears you are repeating me with different words. It's NOT a one-way street. I'm not going to point a finger at SB because she hasn't really been here long enough for me to see how she conducted herself throughout the Bush administration; however, some of the people on this board who suddenly were struck with bipartisanship are the biggest frauds and hypocrites to ever come down the pike.

 

[Gunny]

I think its safe for us to assume that you won't be falling for that schtick, Willow.

Call me cynical, but I think if Obama walked on water, your only comment would be something like:

"Oh look, the Niggar can't swim, either!"​

That's actually pretty funny. Can you turn it into a white joke so I can actually use it?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I agree. But they're already talking about him causing this recession and hoping that he does badly.

Me? I always hoped Bush would do well. It's not my fault he didn't care about any of the people he was governing.

And now I hope for the best with Obama. And we'll see what happens.

But I'm sure not going to think it's ok for the loony toons to run around talking about an "obama recession" and seceeding from the U.S.

If Obama does badly then that means the country suffers, anyone who wants that is a fool. As for him causing the recession, not even close. This recession has been in he making for a long time, and the chief perpetrator is the Federal Reserve.

As for seceding... I haven't seen anyone seriously talk about seceding on here, though I myself recently started a thread to discuss the legality of secession.

 

[Gunny]

I support our President whether I voted for him or not, and I pray our country recovers from this economic crisis we are in and we are all safe. Glenn Beck said the same thing we must support our president regardless of whether we voted for him or not.

That's BS. And I'm going to do some lib-quoting here: It is the right and responsibility of ALL Americans to voice political dissent. If I ideologically oppose the President, then I'm supporting what he wants to do, nor am I going to remain quiet about it.

THAT ideal doesn't apply only to libs when a Republican is President. It is a Right guaranteed by the US Constitution and I intend to exercise mine like a liberal.

 

[Gunny]

Calm down Cons. If you want to call Obama a radical muslim marxist, or speculate if he is dodging his grandmother's funeral, go right ahead.

I don't think it makes you anti-american, and I don't think it suggests you're palling around with terrorists. I was called an anti-american traitor for years, because I had the nerve to suggest invading Iraq was an incredibly stupid idea.

You're welcome to criticize Obama. Blind loyalty to a president is a bad thing. You're not anti-americans if you do it.

I will make fun of the criticisms though. I still get a chuckle out of Cons wigging out that Obama was going to "miss" grandma's funeral, or that Hillary had Vince Foster murdered. Good times!

As usual, old clueless has to open her mouth. A conservative didn't start this thread, moron. Isn't the sheepledog calling you?

 

[Gunny]

I agree. But they're already talking about him causing this recession and hoping that he does badly.

Me? I always hoped Bush would do well. It's not my fault he didn't care about any of the people he was governing.

And now I hope for the best with Obama. And we'll see what happens.

But I'm sure not going to think it's ok for the loony toons to run around talking about an "obama recession" and seceeding from the U.S.

It's okay for people to talk about what they want. Now let's see if you can do this math:

I don't think it's correct to blame the recession on Obama.

However, it is just as okay to blame the recession on Obama as some of the crap YOU have posted about Bush.

 

[Gunny]

I won't call you cynical,, I'll call you an asshole. for playing your long overused tattered dull as hell race card.. The "N" word is not a word I use at all. Now I have extensively time after time laid out the reasons for my opposition to obamalama so I won't bore you with them again. It's just tough shit that you liberals can"t get the respect you were so unwilling to give. Cry me a river.

Well, therein lies your problem. You oppose Obama. By default you are a racist. Weren't you around here for the primaries? That fact was established EARLY on.

 

[Annie]

It's okay for people to talk about what they want. Now let's see if you can do this math:

I don't think it's correct to blame the recession on Obama.

However, it is just as okay to blame the recession on Obama as some of the crap YOU have posted about Bush.

Absolutely, part of the reason I needed to throw that in. If every disaster was Bush's fault or at least his inability to return everything to 'normal' and every mistake gargantuan, never before seen. Seems the talking "One" should share in the joy.

Truth is, if he does some things well, which is inevitable, I probably won't be shouting from the rooftops. On the other hand, while he will make mistakes, also inevitable, unless there are reasons to think intentional, I won't ascribe such to him or his administration. I won't demonize him, I seriously doubt you'll see intelligent conservatives doing so.

That last sentence is also a reason to fear some backlash. I've gotten extremely irritated with the assumption of 'progressives' being inherently smarter, contrary to all evidence of the contrary.

 

[WillowTree]

Well, therein lies your problem. You oppose Obama. By default you are a racist. Weren't you around here for the primaries? That fact was established EARLY on.

They bore me with that bullshit. It's been used so often nobody gives a shit anymore. It's like water rolling off a duck's back.. but still, they wonder why we don't support them? I just sit back and chuckle!

 

[Skull Pilot]

I never believe a politician can do anything right. I just "hope" they don't totally fuck up.

and for the most part that hope is dashed.

 

[Caligirl]

my point: we have 4 years of obama...let all hope for the best...lets unite behind the president and hope we can get beyond the current situation....

May I humbly suggest you not start threads titled "All you Obama Haters" then....

 

[Annie]

May I humbly suggest you not start threads titled "All you Obama Haters" then....

Isn't that the truth!

 

[Caligirl]

So very true. From the most vehement Bush haters this is what they keep saying and writing. They are liars, for they are saying, "NOW! Do as I say, not as I did." Indeed, they do have 'laurels' they are now running from. They effectively did to Bush what they fear 'Conservatives' will now do, they know just how effective their constant barrage of venom has been.

The dilemma for those that do care about our country, do we do as they did?

I despised Bush but FWIW i don't expect those the feel the same about Obama to do anything different than what I did.

If you think the president is nothing but bad news for the coutry, shout it from the rooftops.

Obama should not be given a free pass.

 

[Annie]

I despised Bush but FWIW i don't expect those the feel the same about Obama to do anything different than what I did.

If you think the president is nothing but bad news for the coutry, shout it from the rooftops.

Obama should not be given a free pass.

I think it needs to be done on an issue by issue basis. As it always should have been. While I think there could be little argument that those that run for national office have more than a bit of self confidence, that many of either side would like to see taken down a peg, the vast majority from all parties believe they will bring something to the table for the country.

 

[Caligirl]

Amen! if there had been just a tiny little hint of respect for President Bush and McCain Palin.. A tiny little bit of respect shown for the country. But no, Bush has been evil, a chimperor, a liar a war mongerer and devil and the US of America (the country you now want to stand behind and unite to save ) was wrong and at fault for every single solitary thing that happened in the world. Now you want to try to save her? We should unite now.



If the Democratic leaders had worked to bring down the terrorists just one iota as hard as they've worked to bring down Bush and Cheney we might be somewhere now.. But that aint how they played the game was it?.

Well, I don't have any respect for Bush or Palin, but I do have a lot for mcCain.

I think bush IS a liar, a war mongerer, more interested in money and profits and power than in whether he is lying to take a country to war which should be a last option. War is bloody brutal and destructive. {People are being blown apart, families are being blown apart, mothers are losing their children, and everything is escalating.

Bush does not get a pass.

You don't have to support Obama as far as I am concerned. if you think he is evil, be vocal about it.

What unites both points of view is that what both sides want is the betterment of the country. We just see that betterment in two different ways. But we both want the same thing, and that common dream is what we should try to build from.

 

[Caligirl]

I think it needs to be done on an issue by issue basis. As it always should have been. While I think there could be little argument that those that run for national office have more than a bit of self confidence, that many of either side would like to see taken down a peg, the vast majority from all parties believe they will bring something to the table for the country.

I don't know how the average american can have any effect on an issue - by - issue basis.

take pulling troops out of iraq. People have been fighting for this for years. It took two election cycles to get doves into office, and we still don't have troops out.

 

[Gord]

Why would I want to give Obama the benefit of the doubt when everything about him generates doubt:

He has no executive experience of any kind

He has associated with radicals his whole life

He has no loyalty to those he has previously called friends and mentors

There are serious doubts as to his meeting the constitutional requirements to be POTUS

He attended and exposed his children to a church full of cheering racists and America haters

He is now appointing the same people who brought us the tech bubble bust, the Enron, Tyco, Worldcom, Global Crossing, etc. fiascoes and recession

He was willing to surrender Iraq to al Qaeda and certain civil war

He says one thing to one group of people and another thing to another group of people

He was the most liberal senator in a group of extreme liberals

He defended infanticide and then denied doing so

He is not upfront about what he plans to do with NAFTA, telling unions one thing, and Canadian officials another

He wants to bring foreign terrorists to America to be tried with constitutional guarantees

His "new tone" equals mocking a former first lady for something she never did in his very first press conference as president elect

He claimed the constitution is defective

He wants to institute censorship of conservatives through a program called localization

He wants to rescind union secret ballot voting and allow unions to intimidate those who do not support them

He is willing to talk with totalitarian leaders without requirements, giving them equal standing to allies

He wants to reduce military spending when it needs to be increased

He will not support energy independence

He believes in instituting a carbon cap and trade system and raising taxes that will hamper any likelihood of an economic recovery

He wants to institute a universal health care program that has proven to be a disaster wherever it has been tried

He won't allow access or inquiry about:

His registration to attend school in Indonesia
His trip to Pakistan when entry with an American passport was not allowed
His student grades
His student writings
His attendance at socialist conferences
His accomplishments as a "community organizer"
His legal cases
His legislative records
His small donors list
His medical records
His Annenberg Challenge records without them being sanitized first
His connection to Raila Odinga, the Kenyan election and the hundreds of murders by Odinga's supporters
His past associations
His attendance of supposedly an innocent dinner party

Again I ask - why the hell would I want to give this guy the benifit of the doubt? Why would anyone?

(Also see my signature.)

 

[Annie]

I don't know how the average american can have any effect on an issue - by - issue basis.

take pulling troops out of iraq. People have been fighting for this for years. It took two election cycles to get doves into office, and we still don't have troops out.

Nor I doubt you will see such any time soon. The surge is working, beyond expectations. To create chaos would label it "Obama's lost war." I don't see him as stupid, do you?

Same with the 'Bush tax cuts', not going to be repealed, if the economy is doing better in a year, perhaps allowed to expire. If not? Quiet permanency. The man is not a fool, he'll make his own mistakes, but not climb onto others.