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Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?

How are those liberal rich guys trying to stop labor unions and collective bargaining?

WTF? Are you freakin plastered?
 
Any wealthy people who want to give more to the government then they are required may do so anytime they wish. I have no problem with that. Let me know when that happens.
 
Any wealthy people who want to give more to the government then they are required may do so anytime they wish. I have no problem with that. Let me know when that happens.

Your point? Got one in there somewhere?
 
Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

The problem comes when these institutions become as corrupt, wrong-headed, and self-serving as the big money that they're trying to "protect" the little people from.
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?

As usual, you've got it butt backward. Who funds the tea parties? You mean besides the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and all of the other rich multinational special interest groups and corporations that are now "people" protected by the First Amendment because of that travesty of Constitutional law called Citizens United?

Reality can be your friend.
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?

How are those liberal rich guys trying to stop labor unions and collective bargaining?

WTF? Are you freakin plastered?

Um.........they aren't dumbass. They give money to stop or slow the desires of the right.

See? Both sides have wealthy donors. It's called fundraising. Has been going on for, like, 400 years.

WTF? Are YOU plastered?
 
Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

The problem comes when these institutions become as corrupt, wrong-headed, and self-serving as the big money that they're trying to "protect" the little people from.

Never claimed all unions are above reproach.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Google that phrase and learn, pilgrim.
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?

As usual, you've got it butt backward. Who funds the tea parties? You mean besides the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and all of the other rich multinational special interest groups and corporations that are now "people" protected by the First Amendment because of that travesty of Constitutional law called Citizens United?

Reality can be your friend.

Yep. And people like Bill Gates, George Soros, Ted Turner, Al Gore, Huffington, and companies like NBC, GE, they never ever give to left wing interests, right?


Oh, but you do know that the bigger the corporation, the more people it employs?

Why do you hate jobs?
 
What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?

As usual, you've got it butt backward. Who funds the tea parties? You mean besides the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and all of the other rich multinational special interest groups and corporations that are now "people" protected by the First Amendment because of that travesty of Constitutional law called Citizens United?

Reality can be your friend.

Yep. And people like Bill Gates, George Soros, Ted Turner, Al Gore, Huffington, and companies like NBC, GE, they never ever give to left wing interests, right?


Oh, but you do know that the bigger the corporation, the more people it employs?

Why do you hate jobs?

you mean jobs in India?

why do you hate employing Americans and making sure they have a living wage?
 
Um.........they aren't dumbass. They give money to stop or slow the desires of the right.


Of course they do. The Right (translation: Oligarchy) is constantly attacking the middle class, unions, and gub'mint regulations trying to keep them honest.

That's the whole idea, drunkard.

Wow. Youse Dittoheads are lost.
 
The lefties in government buys itself more votes spending American Tax dollars then any Corporation could afford.
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

If that's the case then, We The People, need to be careful that we elect those representatives that can't be bought. And if we find that the representative , We The People voted for has been purchased by way of lobbying, then We The People need to remove that representative in the next election cycle. We The People always have the power. We just often don't pay enough attention in order to exercise that power appropriately. We don't need unions to handle our power. Just a free and unbiased press to keep us informed.
 
Never claimed all unions are above reproach.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Google that phrase and learn, pilgrim.

Applesack, I AM a Union Member. I'm a Union Steward and have sat on the Negotiation Team for our initial contract two years ago. I have also been a non-union employee in the same company. I've seen BOTH sides of the fence and know that neither one has the right to claim any great moral or idealistic high ground. That doesn't mean either side is inherently Bad either. It just means that BOTH sides have to get their heads removed from their posterior parts and realize that they need to find a middle ground where common sense and logic reign rather than simply taking their ball and going home when they don't get everything they want.
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Unions ARE big money. You just can't see how the game is played.
 
Wisconsin Power Play

In principle, every American citizen has an equal say in our political process. In practice, of course, some of us are more equal than others. Billionaires can field armies of lobbyists; they can finance think tanks that put the desired spin on policy issues; they can funnel cash to politicians with sympathetic views (as the Koch brothers did in the case of Mr. Walker). On paper, we’re a one-person-one-vote nation; in reality, we’re more than a bit of an oligarchy, in which a handful of wealthy people dominate.

Given this reality, it’s important to have institutions that can act as counterweights to the power of big money. And unions are among the most important of these institutions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/21/opinion/21krugman.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

What about the liberal rich who fund groups to counter Tea Parties?

Like billionaires Goerge Soros? Bill Gates? Ted Turner?

Al Gore? Bill Mahr? Olbermann? Huffington? Clooney? Matt Damon? Danny Glover? Sean Penn? Basically all of Hollywood's rich? NBC's elite rich? Jesse Jackson?

Should I go on?

What do we have on the right to counter all the money being funneled into left wing movements? The Tea Party?

Yeah, see how that works?

As usual, you've got it butt backward. Who funds the tea parties? You mean besides the Koch Brothers, the US Chamber of Commerce and all of the other rich multinational special interest groups and corporations that are now "people" protected by the First Amendment because of that travesty of Constitutional law called Citizens United?

Reality can be your friend.

Counter was the "key" word.
 

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