All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

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    Okay. I'll bite.

    How does one solve the problem of "colonization"?
     
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    The United Nations and Decolonization - Declaration
     
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    All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
    ※→ P F Tinmore, Shusha, et al,

    And (like Paul Harvey used to say) → And NOW for the rest of the story.

    This is just another case of attempting to inject information that is not, by itself, stand-alone information...

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    The implication (by innuendo and manipulative suggestion) here is that Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples
    Adopted by General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 has something to do with the Middle East and (specifically) the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict.

    Do not make the mistake of being fooled by the suggestion. A/RES/15/1514 (XV) has no specific application to the Middle East Region or the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. No matter how much the pro-Arab Palestinian side would like to convince you, there are a couple of points you should know and remember.

    ✪ This C-24 Committee is exclusively devoted to the issue of decolonization and Resolution 1514 (XV).
    The Special Committee (C-24) just concluded the 2018 Session (GA/COL/3327) this past June. The Special Committee Approves 22 Draft Resolutions on Decolonization. NONE, absolutely NONE of the decisions pretaining to the draft resolutions or any decisions on outstanding issues of questions relative to self‑determination and Non‑Self‑Governing Territories had any connection with the Middle East, the Occupied Territories or Jerusalem.
    ✪ Since the creation of Special Committee (C-24), the question as to whether the Israel is in outside compliance with the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples Adopted by General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 has never been alleged.

    This is all a matter of record.

    ✪ SINGAPORE (Existing laws not sufficient to combat deliberate online falsehoods: SMU law dean) - Existing laws cannot keep up with the scourge of deliberate online falsehoods, which can cross borders, spread rapidly and have serious, sometimes irreversible, consequences.​

    Beware of these half-truths and misinformation by innuendo. They are intended to deceive by omitting some critical facts necessary to reach an accurate conclusion.

    Most Respectfully,
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    The British called it colonialism, the Zionists called it colonialism, (documented) historians call it colonialism, facts on the ground call it colonialism.

    And you say it is not because the UN failed, for whatever reason, to put it on a list. :lame2:
     
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    I call what the Muslims have done since they left Mesopotamia (the Kurds) and Arabia ( the Arabs) since the 7th Century.....to a large part of Asia, Europe and Africa.....

    COLONIZATION.


    What do the Muslims call it?


    What do you call it?

    When are the Muslims going to stop their colonization of all they took from all other peoples for the past 1400 years?


    PS: An indigenous people cannot ever be considered "colonizers" of their own ancient homeland. As it has always been theirs, especially if there have always been those indigenous people present at all times in history.

    Saying that one or more Jews called it "colonization" of their ancient homeland on some piece of paper, as they were attempting to regain sovereignty over it, does not make it colonization in the sense that Europeans colonized the Americas, New Zealand, Hawaii, Greenland, Iceland and Australia.

    Or in the sense that the Muslims, especially the Arabs, colonized (moved in droves into those areas) a good part of Asia, Africa and Europe, whether they managed to retain the land, or were kicked out of it, as they were out of Spain and many parts of Europe, be it in Africa, or Asia Minor.


    Keep holding on to your sad definitions, and misused words by some Jews.

    If that makes you feel good, and apparently it always does, so be it.

    It will not change the Indigenous nature of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel (All of the Mandate of Palestine) and the absolute lack of indigenous nature to those lands by the Arabs, and they can call themselves Philistines, Canaanites, Palestinians or anything else they like to dupe one and all.


    Arabs/Muslims have a proven record of colonization for 1300 years. They won some and lost some.

    And as we have discussed many times......it is the Jews and other non Muslims they cannot TOLERATE losing land to.

    Especially those descendants of monkeys and apes they love so much......

    Them JOOOOOS.
     
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    Repeated for emphasis.
     
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    Yes. But you haven't actually answered the question. How does one solve the problem of "colonization"? See the answer is clear and obvious -- the Colonizing State releases its governmental control on the dependent people. The Colonizing State removes itself from governing the people who are in their own homeland so they can govern themselves. The Colonizing State returns to its own territory and ceases to influence the control of the territory in question.

    The Jewish people CAN NOT "decolonize" Israel because they are not a Colonizing State. They have no where to retreat to because they didn't originate elsewhere and then colonize a foreign country. You could equally argue that the Arab Palestinians CAN NOT "decolonize" Palestine because they are not a Colonizing State. They have no where to retreat to because they didn't originate elsewhere and then colonize a foreign country (though their ancestors DID -- who cares, no longer relevant).

    Therefore, this whole idea that "decolonization" of Israel/Palestine can actually happen is a red herring. Its a red herring on BOTH sides because neither side has a Colonizing State to retreat to.

    The relevant analogy is the Americas. The Colonizing States were Britain, France, Spain and Portugal. Those States removed themselves from governance of foreign territory, but the immigrants to those territories, in the mean time, developed a distinct and independent national culture. And that culture became a culture with rights to self-determination and sovereign independence.

    Ultimately, it does NOT MATTER if you think that the Jewish people are immigrants who developed a distinct culture with rights to self-determination or if you think that the Jewish people are the indigenous peoples. (Though, seriously people there is ONLY ONE right answer to that). It DOES NOT matter if you think that the Arab Palestinians are immigrants who developed a distinct culture with rights to self-determination or if you think the Arab Palestinians are indigenous peoples. NEITHER IS A COLONIZING STATE. They are both national liberation movements.
     
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    WOW, are you confused. There is no mention of anyone having to retreat or move.
     
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    Okay. I'll bite again. What does "decolonization" mean, then?
     

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