All About the Oslo Accords

[theliq]

Please stay on topic of the OP.

I was,as I explained the Oslo Accord between Mr Rabin,Prime Minister of Israel,the Foreign Minister of Israel Simone Peres and Yasser Arafat of Palestine were moving the process forward Until the Zionists had Prime Mininster Rabin,Assassinated which halted the Oslo Accord DEAD.

I have re-read my posts and they all pertain to the relevant Accord Issue.

Kat,I think you need to bring these Zionist/inspired posters to Heel,they are always going off track in an inflammatory swearing abusive WAY(as if...I could ever be an ASSHOLE Kat,which they continually say,that does require comment,otherwise they think their behaviour is acceptable...I really should not be put in a position to do the Mods responsibility sic with respect,it is mainly why I have been Subjected over 70 times in the past,Flaac,yourself and I have an agreement that I feel I have adhered to...I trust you and yours are very well and I will get in early wishing you seasons greetings...STEVE

 

[Mindful]

Your usual dribble

Well how could such a HATEFUL person like you ever understand...I'll take dribble over your Shit anytime

How could such a Moronic delusional “ person” like you ever make sense? You don’t and you never will

Well you would say that,as per your Delusional Zionist Cult Mantra...you see you can run your mouth off...but cannot hide...from the facts or me for that matter...Viva Jews and Palestinians BUT SAY NO...TO ZIONISM and its plethera of Terrorists,folk like Jews they just Despise Zionist Terrorists,something you just cannot comprehend...SADLY

"Viva Jews and Palestinians" ?

You mean Jews and Arabs. Or Jews and Muslims.

No to Zionism, which has existed long before a single Arab, much less a Muslim, put foot in the Land of Israel?

Never !!!! Why???
Because it is the return of our land into our hands, being sovereign over OUR land from the endless invaders who have passed through OUR LAND.

It is exactly as if the Aboriginals got themselves, legally, any of their land ancient land back and became sovereign over it.

It would be THEIR Zionism, or whichever name of the special place, land they have always loved and it has always been theirs.

Long before those pesky Europeans came and told them that they could not have freedom on their own ancient homeland ever again.

Such inaccuracy,bordering Insanity

Firstly Real Jews and Palestinians are Semitic People as both have direct Lineage to Abraham

Secondly Palestinians are Christian,Muslim & Coptic

Thirdly Zionism was created in the 1890's by an Athiest,Gay Jew(fact)

It was never YOUR Land because you were NEVER the Original People of this Land(fact) moreover you deserted this "Land" in the Roman Period

There were over 1600 independent groups of Aboriginals throughout Australia when Cook arrived...they do have Land in Australia

Get a grip of REALITY...steve ps Why do the words PESKY CONVERT ZIONISTS suddenly come to mind 60's

Real Jews? What are real Jews?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Well how could such a HATEFUL person like you ever understand...I'll take dribble over your Shit anytime

How could such a Moronic delusional “ person” like you ever make sense? You don’t and you never will

Well you would say that,as per your Delusional Zionist Cult Mantra...you see you can run your mouth off...but cannot hide...from the facts or me for that matter...Viva Jews and Palestinians BUT SAY NO...TO ZIONISM and its plethera of Terrorists,folk like Jews they just Despise Zionist Terrorists,something you just cannot comprehend...SADLY

"Viva Jews and Palestinians" ?

You mean Jews and Arabs. Or Jews and Muslims.

No to Zionism, which has existed long before a single Arab, much less a Muslim, put foot in the Land of Israel?

Never !!!! Why???
Because it is the return of our land into our hands, being sovereign over OUR land from the endless invaders who have passed through OUR LAND.

It is exactly as if the Aboriginals got themselves, legally, any of their land ancient land back and became sovereign over it.

It would be THEIR Zionism, or whichever name of the special place, land they have always loved and it has always been theirs.

Long before those pesky Europeans came and told them that they could not have freedom on their own ancient homeland ever again.

Such inaccuracy,bordering Insanity

Firstly Real Jews and Palestinians are Semitic People as both have direct Lineage to Abraham

Secondly Palestinians are Christian,Muslim & Coptic

Thirdly Zionism was created in the 1890's by an Athiest,Gay Jew(fact)

It was never YOUR Land because you were NEVER the Original People of this Land(fact) moreover you deserted this "Land" in the Roman Period

There were over 1600 independent groups of Aboriginals throughout Australia when Cook arrived...they do have Land in Australia

Get a grip of REALITY...steve ps Why do the words PESKY CONVERT ZIONISTS suddenly come to mind 60's

Real Jews? What are real Jews?

Please, no more. Do not feed the hungry Jew hater.

 

[USAF 2023]

How could such a Moronic delusional “ person” like you ever make sense? You don’t and you never will

Well you would say that,as per your Delusional Zionist Cult Mantra...you see you can run your mouth off...but cannot hide...from the facts or me for that matter...Viva Jews and Palestinians BUT SAY NO...TO ZIONISM and its plethera of Terrorists,folk like Jews they just Despise Zionist Terrorists,something you just cannot comprehend...SADLY

"Viva Jews and Palestinians" ?

You mean Jews and Arabs. Or Jews and Muslims.

No to Zionism, which has existed long before a single Arab, much less a Muslim, put foot in the Land of Israel?

Never !!!! Why???
Because it is the return of our land into our hands, being sovereign over OUR land from the endless invaders who have passed through OUR LAND.

It is exactly as if the Aboriginals got themselves, legally, any of their land ancient land back and became sovereign over it.

It would be THEIR Zionism, or whichever name of the special place, land they have always loved and it has always been theirs.

Long before those pesky Europeans came and told them that they could not have freedom on their own ancient homeland ever again.

Such inaccuracy,bordering Insanity

Firstly Real Jews and Palestinians are Semitic People as both have direct Lineage to Abraham

Secondly Palestinians are Christian,Muslim & Coptic

Thirdly Zionism was created in the 1890's by an Athiest,Gay Jew(fact)

It was never YOUR Land because you were NEVER the Original People of this Land(fact) moreover you deserted this "Land" in the Roman Period

There were over 1600 independent groups of Aboriginals throughout Australia when Cook arrived...they do have Land in Australia

Get a grip of REALITY...steve ps Why do the words PESKY CONVERT ZIONISTS suddenly come to mind 60's

Real Jews? What are real Jews?

Please, no more. Do not feed the hungry Jew hater.

You’re right. I just get a kick of challenging him to “ name” this “ JEWISH gay ATHIEST “ SCUM comes from SCUM

 

[theliq]

Well you would say that,as per your Delusional Zionist Cult Mantra...you see you can run your mouth off...but cannot hide...from the facts or me for that matter...Viva Jews and Palestinians BUT SAY NO...TO ZIONISM and its plethera of Terrorists,folk like Jews they just Despise Zionist Terrorists,something you just cannot comprehend...SADLY

"Viva Jews and Palestinians" ?

You mean Jews and Arabs. Or Jews and Muslims.

No to Zionism, which has existed long before a single Arab, much less a Muslim, put foot in the Land of Israel?

Never !!!! Why???
Because it is the return of our land into our hands, being sovereign over OUR land from the endless invaders who have passed through OUR LAND.

It is exactly as if the Aboriginals got themselves, legally, any of their land ancient land back and became sovereign over it.

It would be THEIR Zionism, or whichever name of the special place, land they have always loved and it has always been theirs.

Long before those pesky Europeans came and told them that they could not have freedom on their own ancient homeland ever again.

Such inaccuracy,bordering Insanity

Firstly Real Jews and Palestinians are Semitic People as both have direct Lineage to Abraham

Secondly Palestinians are Christian,Muslim & Coptic

Thirdly Zionism was created in the 1890's by an Athiest,Gay Jew(fact)

It was never YOUR Land because you were NEVER the Original People of this Land(fact) moreover you deserted this "Land" in the Roman Period

There were over 1600 independent groups of Aboriginals throughout Australia when Cook arrived...they do have Land in Australia

Get a grip of REALITY...steve ps Why do the words PESKY CONVERT ZIONISTS suddenly come to mind 60's

Real Jews? What are real Jews?

Please, no more. Do not feed the hungry Jew hater.

You’re right. I just get a kick of challenging him to “ name” this “ JEWISH gay ATHIEST “ SCUM comes from SCUM

Last 3 posts know full well what I am talking about...their continued OBJURGATION'S are but a ploy to deny the truth and facts...they are Boring in their denial as usual

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Bedouin Encampment of Khan al-Ahmar Violates the Oslo Accords

 

[theliq]

The Bedouin Encampment of Khan al-Ahmar Violates the Oslo Accords

Really unhelpful 60"s considering everything...don't you think...steven

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All About the Oslo Accords
※→ theliq, Sixties Fan, et al,

Yes, clearly, there is a zoning issue here. Yes there is the power to take private. property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.

The Bedouin Encampment of Khan al-Ahmar Violates the Oslo Accords

Really unhelpful 60"s considering everything...don't you think...steven

(COMMENT)

But there are two more concerns.

• The people do really want to leave. This is a constituency matter.
• This property is not being actively considered for any specific development or public use by the state.​

I think that there is some wisdom here that I don't fully appreciate. BUT! It is a domestic matter. And objections between Constituents and the State happen all over the world all the time.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[theliq]

RE: All About the Oslo Accords
※→ theliq, Sixties Fan, et al,

Yes, clearly, there is a zoning issue here. Yes there is the power to take private. property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property.

The Bedouin Encampment of Khan al-Ahmar Violates the Oslo Accords

Really unhelpful 60"s considering everything...don't you think...steven

(COMMENT)

But there are two more concerns.

• The people do really want to leave. This is a constituency matter.
• This property is not being actively considered for any specific development or public use by the state.​

I think that there is some wisdom here that I don't fully appreciate. BUT! It is a domestic matter. And objections between Constituents and the State happen all over the world all the time.

Most Respectfully,
R

YES Rocco,with Respect, I KNOW>>>>>>IT IS CALLED ZIONIST COHERSION AND CORRUPTION,but thanks (NOT) for reminding me of these Dastardly Tactics...The Great Palestinians have had this happening since 1948

From recollection "THIS DOMESTIC SITUATION"(my ass) HAS NEVER HAPPENED TO A Jew or Convert Zionist Jew...has it....Rocco it is me you are talking to,not some ignorant illegal immigrant convert....Really Rocc,we have a friendly truce,let's keep to our friendly bargin with each other,you and I promised not to talk S**t to each other,please maintain your end of the Bargin,Rocc...have a Gooday Steve...Shalom

ps...more often Forced Compensation or Nothing at all,you know this Rocco,please be balanced in you prose,Ta st

 

[theliq]

Well how could such a HATEFUL person like you ever understand...I'll take dribble over your Shit anytime

How could such a Moronic delusional “ person” like you ever make sense? You don’t and you never will

Well you would say that,as per your Delusional Zionist Cult Mantra...you see you can run your mouth off...but cannot hide...from the facts or me for that matter...Viva Jews and Palestinians BUT SAY NO...TO ZIONISM and its plethera of Terrorists,folk like Jews they just Despise Zionist Terrorists,something you just cannot comprehend...SADLY

"Viva Jews and Palestinians" ?

You mean Jews and Arabs. Or Jews and Muslims.

No to Zionism, which has existed long before a single Arab, much less a Muslim, put foot in the Land of Israel?

Never !!!! Why???
Because it is the return of our land into our hands, being sovereign over OUR land from the endless invaders who have passed through OUR LAND.

It is exactly as if the Aboriginals got themselves, legally, any of their land ancient land back and became sovereign over it.

It would be THEIR Zionism, or whichever name of the special place, land they have always loved and it has always been theirs.

Long before those pesky Europeans came and told them that they could not have freedom on their own ancient homeland ever again.

Such inaccuracy,bordering Insanity

Firstly Real Jews and Palestinians are Semitic People as both have direct Lineage to Abraham

Secondly Palestinians are Christian,Muslim & Coptic

Thirdly Zionism was created in the 1890's by an Athiest,Gay Jew(fact)

It was never YOUR Land because you were NEVER the Original People of this Land(fact) moreover you deserted this "Land" in the Roman Period

There were over 1600 independent groups of Aboriginals throughout Australia when Cook arrived...they do have Land in Australia

Get a grip of REALITY...steve ps Why do the words PESKY CONVERT ZIONISTS suddenly come to mind 60's

Real Jews? What are real Jews?

I'm doing my DNA fully...it could well be Me,but I would be an Honest Jew...Stavros,Etienne,Sefan,Steven,Stephen…..or maybe my Jewish equivalent(just think of that),what is steven in Hebrew anyway???maybe Seven or Stivaan?

Think of it The Nit,may want to track me down and demand that I take over the Prime Ministership,he could well see me as the Only person who would achieve Peace in Our Lifetime.

I would call it the "RABIN ACCORD"after that Great Man

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Arabs do not like the Oslo Accords at all. So, why let the Jews come to their holy sites when they can make it very hard for Jews to go visit their Holy Sites, just as they did before the Mandate for Palestine. Nothing has changed.
Respect for non Muslim religions = at zero ]

Clashes erupt in Nablus as IDF escorts Jews to shrine

 

[Shusha]

[ Arabs do not like the Oslo Accords at all. So, why let the Jews come to their holy sites when they can make it very hard for Jews to go visit their Holy Sites, just as they did before the Mandate for Palestine. Nothing has changed.
Respect for non Muslim religions = at zero ]

Clashes erupt in Nablus as IDF escorts Jews to shrine

Its not so much that "clashes erupted" as Arabs attacked Jews on the way to holy site, in violation of a number of international laws and accords.

Imagine what the world would say, if every time Muslims wanted to visit Al Aqsa, they had to run a gauntlet of snipers and bombs.

 

[Sixties Fan]

It is nice that the author didn't lazily say "occupied territories" instead of "disputed territories," but it is quite untrue that Oslo was about "returning disputed territories to Palestinian control."

Because they were never under control of anyone known as Palestinians, nor were they ever under control of anyindependent political entity since the Romans defeated the Jews in 70 CE.

They were under control of Jordanians, British, Ottomans, Crusaders, Fatimids, Umayyads, Byzantines and others - but never the Arabs who moved into the area many centuries after the Jewish kingdoms fell.

Too many people think it is axiomatic that a people called the Palestinians have been indigenous to the region and deserve to control "their" land. However, the Palestinian Arab people are an invention of the 20th century. There were Arabs in the land called Palestine but they were not a people by any definition of the term; no one identified them as such and they didn't identify themselves as such.

Many get very upset when this is pointed out but mollifying those who implicitly threaten violence when they don't get their way does no service to the truth.

If the land is being "returned" to any indigenous people, it is the Jewish people who deserve it. Whether the current Israeli government decides it is in the interests of its people to give the land away to others is a separate issue. If any people can claim the right to the land, from a historical, moral or legal perspective, it is the Jewish people.

(full article online)

No, National Geographic, Oslo is not about "returnng" land to Palestinians ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

It sometimes feels like there is an amnesia around what happened between Oslo and today, including the terrorism during the 1990s at the same time as the Oslo process.

The idea of Oslo and "two states" is so embedded in people's minds that they casually assume that Israelis who lived through the dark years that were direct consequences of the sunny predictions of peace are irrational, and those criticizing Israel without having the real fear of going on buses or to supermarkets are superior to the Israelis who know the pros and cons better than anyone.

It is worth reminding people that, today, Israel has less terror and the borders are quieter than perhaps at any time in its history. This is not because of the peace process - that only brought death. It is because of a priority placed on security.

Those so willing to bet Israeli lives on their personal attachment to a failed peace process are despicable.

(full article online)

The amnesiacs of Oslo (David Gerstman) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Mindful]

Those peace processes. And some even got the Nobel Prize for it.


Some peace!

"Throughout the intifada, the PLO played a lead role in orchestrating the insurrection. The PLO-dominated Unified Leadership of the Intifada (UNLI), for example, frequently issued leaflets dictating which days violence was to be escalated, and who was to be its target. The PLO's leadership of the uprising was challenged by the fundamentalist Islamic organization Hamas, a violently anti-Semitic group that rejects any peace negotiations with Israel.

Jews were not the only victims of the violence. In fact, as the intifada waned around the time of the Gulf War in 1991, the number of Arabs killed for political and other reasons by Palestinian death squads exceeded the number killed in clashes with Israeli troops.

PLO Chairman Yasir Arafat defended the killing of Arabs deemed to be “collaborating with Israel.” He delegated the authority to carry out executions to the intifada leadership. After the murders, the local PLO death squad sent the file on the case to the PLO. “We have studied the files of those who were executed, and found that only two of the 118 who were executed were innocent,” Arafat said. The innocent victims were declared "martyrs of the Palestinian revolution" by the PLO (AlMussawar, January 19, 1990).

Palestinians were stabbed, hacked with axes, shot, clubbed and burned with acid. The justifications offered for the killings varied. In some instances, being employed by Israel's Civil Administration in the West Bank and Gaza was reason enough; in others, contact with Jews warranted a death sentence. Accusations of "collaboration" with Israel were sometimes used as a pretext for acts of personal vengeance. Women deemed to have behaved "immorally" were also among the victims.

Eventually, the reign of terror became so serious that some Palestinians expressed public concern about the disorder. The PLO began to call for an end to the violence, but murders by its members and rivals continued. From 1989-1992, this intrafadaclaimed the lives of nearly 1,000 Palestinians".

First Intifada

 

[Sixties Fan]

When Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas announced in July that he was canceling the PA’s security cooperation with Israel, veteran Israeli journalist Khaled Abu Toameh pointed out that it was the 58th time Abbas had made such a threat. When Abbas issues his 59th threat, perhaps Israel should take him up on it.

Security cooperation is a cornerstone of the 1993 Oslo Accords, which have proved disastrous for Israel. Thousands of Israelis have been murdered in terrorist attacks as a result of this misguided effort.


One potential solution is to find a way of transitioning to working directly with local Palestinian community leadership, bypassing the PA on security and other matters. PA security forces can ultimately be supervised locally.

This is not a new idea. Prior to Oslo this was the Israeli military’s recommended plan, but at the time neither the Israeli nor the American governments were supportive.

Of significant concern, for example, is the PA’s policy of imprisoning those publicly critical of the PA leadership. In addition, $300 million per year, or seven percent to 10 percent of the PA’s annual budget, is spent in stipends to terrorists in Israeli prisons, and to the families of terrorists who died in attacks against Israel.

Further PA funding goes to the salaries of many Muslim preachers, or imams. Their Friday sermons are often based on PA-provided talking points, and their incitement can lead to murder. Even the United Nations has voiced concerns about hate speech emanating from the PA leadership, and about that hate speech finding its way into school textbooks.

Here are several other reasons to support the idea of phasing out the PA:

(full article online)

Abbas Is Right: It’s Time to Phase Out the Palestinian Authority

 

[USAF 2023]

I read a lot about the Oslo Accords and both sides have their take on it. Especially as to why it has not succeeded.

The questions are:

What was the Oslo Accords supposed to achieve?
What was each side's role in it?
What, if anything has each side achieved since it was signed?
What are the advantages of keeping the Accords alive for each side, good or bad?
Was it done in good faith by both sides?
What was it like before the Accords?
What is it like now?
Is it best to keep it as is, or put an end to it?
What would be the consequences of ending it for each side?
Where did it go wrong?
etc, etc

Many decades later, there are a few articles which possibly point to the reason why the Accords seem to not have succeeded in bringing a Peace Treaty between Palestinians and Israelis, as negotiations did between Israelis, Egyptians and Jordanians before it, or any kind of peace at all.

Senior Palestinian Journalist: Arafat Told Me He Went Along With Oslo Accords Because It Would Make 'The Jews... Leave Palestine Like Rats Abandoning A Sinking Ship'


The ‘Oslo Diaries’ and Yasser Arafat’s trunk


Was Arafat in good faith when he signed it, or was this another Hudna on the Arab side, following on the footsteps of what Mohammad had done with the Jewish Tribe of Khaybar in the 7th Century as the article below suggests?

Tactical Hudna and Islamist Intolerance


Is there any chance of making both sides return to the ideas of the Accords and eventually follow them to the conclusion they were meant to bring when they were first signed?

What do the experts say?

What do you say?

Maybe your next “ You Tube” should be about why Olmert’s offer was rejected.

That is common knowledge for people who do not use Israeli propaganda for their only source of information.

It’s “ common knowledge “ as to why Olmert’s offer was rejected? Please tell us
In your response, please tell us why Israel would/should agree to give up their Holy Sites

 

[P F Tinmore]

I read a lot about the Oslo Accords and both sides have their take on it. Especially as to why it has not succeeded.

The questions are:

What was the Oslo Accords supposed to achieve?
What was each side's role in it?
What, if anything has each side achieved since it was signed?
What are the advantages of keeping the Accords alive for each side, good or bad?
Was it done in good faith by both sides?
What was it like before the Accords?
What is it like now?
Is it best to keep it as is, or put an end to it?
What would be the consequences of ending it for each side?
Where did it go wrong?
etc, etc

Many decades later, there are a few articles which possibly point to the reason why the Accords seem to not have succeeded in bringing a Peace Treaty between Palestinians and Israelis, as negotiations did between Israelis, Egyptians and Jordanians before it, or any kind of peace at all.

Senior Palestinian Journalist: Arafat Told Me He Went Along With Oslo Accords Because It Would Make 'The Jews... Leave Palestine Like Rats Abandoning A Sinking Ship'


The ‘Oslo Diaries’ and Yasser Arafat’s trunk


Was Arafat in good faith when he signed it, or was this another Hudna on the Arab side, following on the footsteps of what Mohammad had done with the Jewish Tribe of Khaybar in the 7th Century as the article below suggests?

Tactical Hudna and Islamist Intolerance


Is there any chance of making both sides return to the ideas of the Accords and eventually follow them to the conclusion they were meant to bring when they were first signed?

What do the experts say?

What do you say?

Maybe your next “ You Tube” should be about why Olmert’s offer was rejected.

That is common knowledge for people who do not use Israeli propaganda for their only source of information.

It’s “ common knowledge “ as to why Olmert’s offer was rejected? Please tell us
In your response, please tell us why Israel would/should agree to give up their Holy Sites

Perhaps you could watch the linked video.

 

[Hollie]

I read a lot about the Oslo Accords and both sides have their take on it. Especially as to why it has not succeeded.

The questions are:

What was the Oslo Accords supposed to achieve?
What was each side's role in it?
What, if anything has each side achieved since it was signed?
What are the advantages of keeping the Accords alive for each side, good or bad?
Was it done in good faith by both sides?
What was it like before the Accords?
What is it like now?
Is it best to keep it as is, or put an end to it?
What would be the consequences of ending it for each side?
Where did it go wrong?
etc, etc

Many decades later, there are a few articles which possibly point to the reason why the Accords seem to not have succeeded in bringing a Peace Treaty between Palestinians and Israelis, as negotiations did between Israelis, Egyptians and Jordanians before it, or any kind of peace at all.

Senior Palestinian Journalist: Arafat Told Me He Went Along With Oslo Accords Because It Would Make 'The Jews... Leave Palestine Like Rats Abandoning A Sinking Ship'


The ‘Oslo Diaries’ and Yasser Arafat’s trunk


Was Arafat in good faith when he signed it, or was this another Hudna on the Arab side, following on the footsteps of what Mohammad had done with the Jewish Tribe of Khaybar in the 7th Century as the article below suggests?

Tactical Hudna and Islamist Intolerance


Is there any chance of making both sides return to the ideas of the Accords and eventually follow them to the conclusion they were meant to bring when they were first signed?

What do the experts say?

What do you say?

Maybe your next “ You Tube” should be about why Olmert’s offer was rejected.

That is common knowledge for people who do not use Israeli propaganda for their only source of information.

It’s “ common knowledge “ as to why Olmert’s offer was rejected? Please tell us
In your response, please tell us why Israel would/should agree to give up their Holy Sites

Perhaps you could watch the linked video.

More of your silly Press TV spam?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Maybe your next “ You Tube” should be about why Olmert’s offer was rejected.

That is common knowledge for people who do not use Israeli propaganda for their only source of information.

It’s “ common knowledge “ as to why Olmert’s offer was rejected? Please tell us
In your response, please tell us why Israel would/should agree to give up their Holy Sites

Perhaps you could watch the linked video.

More of your silly Press TV spam?

Ignorant by choice. Interesting concept.