Ali Abunimah One state

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkYffFq7kR0]Ali Abunimah One state.avi - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Israel will never agree to One State unless you mean Israel take over the West bank and Gaza.

They would be foolish to do so. It would be a suicide deal with terrorists bent on killing all the Jews.

What I want is for your terrorist buddies to form their own Country and then play the rocket game, see how well that works out for them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jp-_ydl_28]A Palestian talks about the Nakba -4/4 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Fail as usual. You can't even put into words your thoughts or beliefs, you keep posting videos from others. Sorry I don't bother watching that crap.

So in your own words, explain why Jews in Israel would be willing to let millions of Muslim Arabs that have tried for 60 years to KILL them, into their Government? Arabs that resort to terror, murder women and children, specifically target schools, day care centers, buses and eateries of the youth?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Fail as usual. You can't even put into words your thoughts or beliefs, you keep posting videos from others. Sorry I don't bother watching that crap.

So in your own words, explain why Jews in Israel would be willing to let millions of Muslim Arabs that have tried for 60 years to KILL them, into their Government? Arabs that resort to terror, murder women and children, specifically target schools, day care centers, buses and eateries of the youth?

Why was it that the native Palestinian Jews were opposed to the creation of Israel?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Fail as usual. You can't even put into words your thoughts or beliefs, you keep posting videos from others. Sorry I don't bother watching that crap.

So in your own words, explain why Jews in Israel would be willing to let millions of Muslim Arabs that have tried for 60 years to KILL them, into their Government? Arabs that resort to terror, murder women and children, specifically target schools, day care centers, buses and eateries of the youth?

Why was it that the native Palestinian Jews were opposed to the creation of Israel?

Facts NOT in evidence. Further you imply every "native" Jew was opposed. Seriously doubt you can prove THAT claim.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Fail as usual. You can't even put into words your thoughts or beliefs, you keep posting videos from others. Sorry I don't bother watching that crap.

So in your own words, explain why Jews in Israel would be willing to let millions of Muslim Arabs that have tried for 60 years to KILL them, into their Government? Arabs that resort to terror, murder women and children, specifically target schools, day care centers, buses and eateries of the youth?

Why was it that the native Palestinian Jews were opposed to the creation of Israel?

Facts NOT in evidence. Further you imply every "native" Jew was opposed. Seriously doubt you can prove THAT claim.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. Where were the natives?

One Palestinian Jew said that their grandmothers would babysit each others kids.

The Jews lived well in Palestine. They saw the creation of Israel as being decades of death and destruction. And it turned out to be so.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Why was it that the native Palestinian Jews were opposed to the creation of Israel?

Facts NOT in evidence. Further you imply every "native" Jew was opposed. Seriously doubt you can prove THAT claim.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. Where were the natives?

One Palestinian Jew said that their grandmothers would babysit each others kids.

The Jews lived well in Palestine. They saw the creation of Israel as being decades of death and destruction. And it turned out to be so.

Again facts not in evidence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Facts NOT in evidence. Further you imply every "native" Jew was opposed. Seriously doubt you can prove THAT claim.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine and he was the son of immigrants. Where were the natives?

One Palestinian Jew said that their grandmothers would babysit each others kids.

The Jews lived well in Palestine. They saw the creation of Israel as being decades of death and destruction. And it turned out to be so.

Again facts not in evidence.

Native Rabbis wrote to the UN in 1947 pleading with them not to partition Palestine. Native Jews still living and their descendants are still opposed to Israel.

There was no violence against Jews in Palestine that was not related to Israel.

 

[JStone]

BBC: How Israel Became A High-Tech Hub BBC News - How Israel turned itself into a high-tech hub

Tiny Israel, a country embroiled in conflicts for decades, has managed to transform itself from a stretch of farmland into a high-tech wonder

Israel currently has almost 4,000 active technology start-ups - more than any other country outside the United States, according to Israel Venture Capital Research Centre

In 2010 alone the flow of venture capital amounted to $884m (£558m).

The result: high-tech exports from Israel are valued at about $18.4bn a year, making up more than 45% of Israel's exports, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics

Israel is a world leader in terms of research and development spending as a percentage of the economy; it's top in both the number of start-ups and engineers as a proportion of the population; and it's first in per capita venture capital investment. Not bad for a country of some eight million people - fewer than, say, Moscow or New York.

Over just a few decades, Israeli start-ups have developed groundbreaking technologies in areas such as computing, clean technology and life sciences, to name a few.

Continued: BBC News - How Israel turned itself into a high-tech hub

The Economist Magazine: Arab World Self-Doomed To Failure

WHAT went wrong with the Arab world? Why is it so stuck behind the times? It is not an obviously unlucky region. Fatly endowed with oil, and with its people sharing a rich cultural, religious and linguistic heritage, it is faced neither with endemic poverty nor with ethnic conflict. But, with barely an exception, its autocratic rulers, whether presidents or kings, give up their authority only when they die; its elections are a sick joke; half its people are treated as lesser legal and economic beings, and more than half its young, burdened by joblessness and stifled by conservative religious tradition, are said to want to get out of the place as soon as they can.

One in five Arabs still live on less than $2 a day. And, over the past 20 years, growth in income per head, at an annual rate of 0.5%, was lower than anywhere else in the world except sub-Saharan Africa. At this rate, it will take the average Arab 140 years to double his income, a target that some regions are set to reach in less than ten years. Stagnant growth, together with a fast-rising population, means vanishing jobs. Around 12m people, or 15% of the labour force, are already unemployed, and on present trends the number could rise to 25m by 2010.

Freedom. This deficit explains many of the fundamental things that are wrong with the Arab world: the survival of absolute autocracies; the holding of bogus elections; confusion between the executive and the judiciary (the report points out the close linguistic link between the two in Arabic); constraints on the media and on civil society; and a patriarchal, intolerant, sometimes suffocating social environment. The great wave of democratisation that has opened up so much of the world over the past 15 years seems to have left the Arabs untouched. Democracy is occasionally offered, but as a concession, not as a right. Freedom of expression and freedom of association are both sharply limited. Freedom House, an American-based monitor of political and civil rights, records that no Arab country has genuinely free media, and only three have “partly free”. The rest are not free

•Knowledge. “If God were to humiliate a human being,” wrote Imam Ali bin abi Taleb in the sixth century, “He would deny him knowledge.” Although the Arabs spend a higher percentage of GDP on education than any other developing region, it is not, it seems, well spent. The quality of education has deteriorated pitifully, and there is a severe mismatch between the labour market and the education system. Adult illiteracy rates have declined but are still very high: 65m adults are illiterate, almost two-thirds of them women. Some 10m children still have no schooling at all. One of the gravest results of their poor education is that the Arabs, who once led the world in science, are dropping ever further behind in scientific research and in information technology. Investment in research and development is less than one-seventh of the world average. Only 0.6% of the population uses the Internet, and 1.2% have personal computers.

•Women's status. The one thing that every outsider knows about the Arab world is that it does not treat its women as full citizens. How can a society prosper when it stifles half its productive potential? After all, even though women's literacy rates have trebled in the past 30 years, one in every two Arab women still can neither read nor write. Their participation in their countries' political and economic life is the lowest in the world.

Arab development: Self-doomed to failure | The Economist

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does Israel give you all this irrelevant stuff to post in every thread?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Fail as usual. You can't even put into words your thoughts or beliefs, you keep posting videos from others. Sorry I don't bother watching that crap.

So in your own words, explain why Jews in Israel would be willing to let millions of Muslim Arabs that have tried for 60 years to KILL them, into their Government? Arabs that resort to terror, murder women and children, specifically target schools, day care centers, buses and eateries of the youth?

Why was it that the native Palestinian Jews were opposed to the creation of Israel?

Facts NOT in evidence. Further you imply every "native" Jew was opposed. Seriously doubt you can prove THAT claim.

 

[JStone]

BBC: How Israel Became A High-Tech Hub

Tiny Israel, a country embroiled in conflicts for decades, has managed to transform itself from a stretch of farmland into a high-tech wonder

Israel currently has almost 4,000 active technology start-ups - more than any other country outside the United States, according to Israel Venture Capital Research Centre

In 2010 alone the flow of venture capital amounted to $884m (£558m).

The result: high-tech exports from Israel are valued at about $18.4bn a year, making up more than 45% of Israel's exports, according to the Central Bureau of Statistics

Israel is a world leader in terms of research and development spending as a percentage of the economy; it's top in both the number of start-ups and engineers as a proportion of the population; and it's first in per capita venture capital investment. Not bad for a country of some eight million people - fewer than, say, Moscow or New York.

Over just a few decades, Israeli start-ups have developed groundbreaking technologies in areas such as computing, clean technology and life sciences, to name a few.

Continued: BBC News - How Israel turned itself into a high-tech hub

The Economist Magazine: Arab World Self-Doomed To Failure

WHAT went wrong with the Arab world? Why is it so stuck behind the times? It is not an obviously unlucky region. Fatly endowed with oil, and with its people sharing a rich cultural, religious and linguistic heritage, it is faced neither with endemic poverty nor with ethnic conflict. But, with barely an exception, its autocratic rulers, whether presidents or kings, give up their authority only when they die; its elections are a sick joke; half its people are treated as lesser legal and economic beings, and more than half its young, burdened by joblessness and stifled by conservative religious tradition, are said to want to get out of the place as soon as they can.

One in five Arabs still live on less than $2 a day. And, over the past 20 years, growth in income per head, at an annual rate of 0.5%, was lower than anywhere else in the world except sub-Saharan Africa. At this rate, it will take the average Arab 140 years to double his income, a target that some regions are set to reach in less than ten years. Stagnant growth, together with a fast-rising population, means vanishing jobs. Around 12m people, or 15% of the labour force, are already unemployed, and on present trends the number could rise to 25m by 2010.

Freedom. This deficit explains many of the fundamental things that are wrong with the Arab world: the survival of absolute autocracies; the holding of bogus elections; confusion between the executive and the judiciary (the report points out the close linguistic link between the two in Arabic); constraints on the media and on civil society; and a patriarchal, intolerant, sometimes suffocating social environment. The great wave of democratisation that has opened up so much of the world over the past 15 years seems to have left the Arabs untouched. Democracy is occasionally offered, but as a concession, not as a right. Freedom of expression and freedom of association are both sharply limited. Freedom House, an American-based monitor of political and civil rights, records that no Arab country has genuinely free media, and only three have “partly free”. The rest are not free

Knowledge. “If God were to humiliate a human being,” wrote Imam Ali bin abi Taleb in the sixth century, “He would deny him knowledge.” Although the Arabs spend a higher percentage of GDP on education than any other developing region, it is not, it seems, well spent. The quality of education has deteriorated pitifully, and there is a severe mismatch between the labour market and the education system. Adult illiteracy rates have declined but are still very high: 65m adults are illiterate, almost two-thirds of them women. Some 10m children still have no schooling at all. One of the gravest results of their poor education is that the Arabs, who once led the world in science, are dropping ever further behind in scientific research and in information technology. Investment in research and development is less than one-seventh of the world average. Only 0.6% of the population uses the Internet, and 1.2% have personal computers.

Women's status. The one thing that every outsider knows about the Arab world is that it does not treat its women as full citizens. How can a society prosper when it stifles half its productive potential? After all, even though women's literacy rates have trebled in the past 30 years, one in every two Arab women still can neither read nor write. Their participation in their countries' political and economic life is the lowest in the world.

Arab development: Self-doomed to failure | The Economist

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does Israel give you all this irrelevant stuff to post in every thread?

 

[P F Tinmore]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcjNJacDvPo]Rabbis for Palestine: a one state solution for all - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Ropey]

Does Israel give you all this irrelevant stuff to post in every thread?

You continue to post the same drivel PF and you are one of the reasons why there is not any (Western Defined) peace.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtKv_iQllr0]Failed Sates 2010 SHITHOLE COUNTRIES - YouTube[/ame]

^ Another Failed .......

not a state, failed thought???

 

[P F Tinmore]

Does Israel give you all this irrelevant stuff to post in every thread?

You continue to post the same drivel PF and you are one of the reasons why there is not any (Western Defined) peace.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtKv_iQllr0]Failed Sates 2010 SHITHOLE COUNTRIES - YouTube[/ame]

^ Another Failed .......

not a state, failed thought???

You say failed. I say destroyed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZgbcmfM9SQ]Palestine Before the Nakba 1948 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JStone]

Arabs are the most fucked up losers in the history of the world.

Islamic Scholar Bernard Lewis

If the peoples of the Middle East continue on their present path, the suicide bomber may become a metaphor for the whole region, and there will be no escape from a downward spiral of hate and spite, rage and self-pity, poverty and oppression.

Arab Author Anwar Malek...

The Arabs are afflicted with fantasies and obsolete bravado. False, empty bravado, which does no good to anybody. The Arabs invented or discovered the zero--but what did they do with it? Some of them sat on it, some put it on their heads, while others wore it around their waists and began shaking their hips, their belies, and their breasts in order to sell to the world the idea that modern Arabs are doing something

Today, the Arabs constitute nothing but thousands of zeros to the left. The Arabs have lost their worth, their humanity, their culture, and everything. There is nothing to suggest that the Arabs can be relied upon to produce anything. This false bravado is deeply rooted in the Arabs to an unimaginable degree. It is so deeply rooted that the Arabs believe they can go to the moon. If you asked your viewers whether the Arabs would be able to reach the moon by 2015, they would say, "Yes, the Arabs will get to the moon" By Allah, the Arabs will not go more than a few hundred kilometers from their doorsteps.

In all honesty, the Arabs are backward and are not fit for civilization at all. I am talking about the Arabs of today who have begun to export shawarma, falafel and lupin beans to Europe and they purport to be bringing something Arab to Europe

the reality of the Arabs is one of defeat, hitting rock bottom We are defeated, politically and militarily and economically, socially, and even psychologically. We have a discourse of conspiracy, and we blame everything on others. Take Egypt--What does Egypt--that superpower--have to offer? Nothing, it is incapable of doing anything. It has nothing but lupin beans. It is incapable of anything.

Look at how the Arabs live in the West. By Allah, they are a bad example. If you hear about thieves, they are always Arabs. Whenever a young man harasses a girl on the streets of London or Paris, he turns out to be an Arab. All the negative moral values are to be found in the Arab individual

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYgrziadQIo]Algerian author Anwar Malek talks about the arab world. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Are you posting this again?

 

[JStone]

Does Israel give you all this irrelevant stuff to post in every thread?

You continue to post the same drivel PF and you are one of the reasons why there is not any (Western Defined) peace.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtKv_iQllr0]Failed Sates 2010 SHITHOLE COUNTRIES - YouTube[/ame]

^ Another Failed .......

not a state, failed thought???

You say failed. I say destroyed.

I say you have zero reputational points after 2 years, loser.

John F. Kennedy: Zionists of America

When the first Zionist conference met in 1897, Palestine was a neglected wasteland

I first saw Palestine in 1939. There the neglect and ruin left by centuries of Ottoman [Muslim] misrule were slowly being transformed by miracles of [Jewish] labor and sacrifice. But Palestine was still a land of promise in 1939, rather than a land of fulfillment. I returned in 1951 to see the grandeur of Israel

I left with the conviction that the United Nations may have conferred on Israel the credentials of nationhood; but its own idealism and courage, its own sacrifice and generosity, had earned the credentials of immortality.

Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom; and no area of the world has ever had an overabundance of democracy and freedom.

It is worth remembering, too, that Israel is a cause that stands beyond the ordinary changes and chances of American public life. In our pluralistic society, it has not been a Jewish cause - any more than Irish independence was solely the concern of Americans of Irish descent. The ideals of Zionism have, in the last half century, been repeatedly endorsed by Presidents and Members of Congress from both parties. Friendship for Israel is not a partisan matter. It is a national commitment.

The original Zionist philosophy has always maintained that the people of Israel would use their national genius not for selfish purposes but for the enrichment and glory of the entire Middle East. The earliest leaders of the Zionist movement spoke of a Jewish state which would have no military power and which would be content with victories of the spirit

The technical skills and genius of Israel have already brought their blessings to Burma and to Ethiopia. Still other nations in Asia and in Africa are eager to benefit from the special skills available in that bustling land

John F. Kennedy: Speech by Senator John F. Kennedy, Zionists of America Convention, Statler Hilton Hotel, New York, NY

John F. Kennedy, "Salute To Israel"

Both Israel and the United States acknowledge the supremacy of the moral law – both believe in personal as well as national liberty – and, perhaps most important, both will fight to the end to maintain that liberty

I join in this salute of Israel today because of my own deep admiration for Israel and her people – an admiration based not on hearsay, not on assumption, but on my own personal experience. For I went to Palestine in 1939; and I saw there an unhappy land...For century after century, Romans, Turks, Christians, Moslems, Pagans, British – all had conquered the Holy Land – but none could make it prosper. In the words of Israel Zangwill: “The land without a people waited for the people without a land.” The realm where once milk and honey flowed, and civilization flourished, was in 1939 a barren realm – barren of hope and cheer and progress as well as crops and industries – a gloomy picture for a young man paying his first visit from the United States.

But 12 years later, in 1951, I traveled again to the land by the River Jordan – this time as a Member of the Congress of the United States – and this time to see first-hand the new State of Israel. The transformation which had taken place could not have been more complete. For between the time of my visit in 1939 and my visit in 1951, a nation had been reborn – a desert had been reclaimed – and a national integrity had been redeemed, after 2,000 years of seemingly endless waiting. Zion had at least been restored – and she had promptly opened her arms to the homeless and the weary and the persecuted. It was the “Ingathering of the Exiles” – they had heard the call of their homeland; and they had come, brands plucked from the burning – they had come from concentration camps and ghettoes, from distant exile and dangerous sanctuary, from broken homes in Poland and lonely huts in Yemen, like the ancient strangers in a strange land they had come. And Israel received them all, fed them, housed them, cared for them, bound up their wounds, and enlisted them in the struggle to build a new nation.

Yes; Israel, we salute you. We honor your progress and your determination and your spirit. But in the midst of our rejoicing we do not forget your peril. We know that no other nation in this world lives out its days in an atmosphere of such constant tension and fear. We know that no other nation in this world is surrounded on every side by such violent hate and prejudice

Remarks by Senator John F. Kennedy at Yankee Stadium on April 29, 1956 | Finding Camelot