Alaska's permafrost is thawing

[Delta4Embassy]

Since everything in Alaska is built on top of the permafrost ground, this is Bad.

Thawing permafrost threatens Alaska's ecosystem, UAF researcher says

"FAIRBANKS -- Climate change stands to trigger a regime change in Alaska with far-reaching consequences as frozen ground thaws beneath us, a prominent University of Alaska Fairbanks scientist told the Tanana Chiefs Conference on Tuesday.

“Permafrost is the most important part of the ecosystem for engineering in Alaska,” said hydrologist Larry Hinzman. “When you thaw the permafrost everything falls apart.”

Hinzman, the director of the International Arctic Research Center, said Alaska is well on its way to switching from a frozen to a thawed state -- not a seasonal swing, but something more permanent.

Related:
Alarm over Kara Sea permafrost thawing

The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding. He said conditions are similar in northern Canada and Siberia. The permafrost helps control the hydrology, which in turn helps control the vegetation, which in turn helps control the animals that live on it."

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[jc456]

yo dude, how long does it take for permafrost to melt?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Dunno, how old do you think this house was?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Since everything in Alaska is built on top of the permafrost ground, this is Bad.

Thawing permafrost threatens Alaska's ecosystem, UAF researcher says

"FAIRBANKS -- Climate change stands to trigger a regime change in Alaska with far-reaching consequences as frozen ground thaws beneath us, a prominent University of Alaska Fairbanks scientist told the Tanana Chiefs Conference on Tuesday.

“Permafrost is the most important part of the ecosystem for engineering in Alaska,” said hydrologist Larry Hinzman. “When you thaw the permafrost everything falls apart.”

Hinzman, the director of the International Arctic Research Center, said Alaska is well on its way to switching from a frozen to a thawed state -- not a seasonal swing, but something more permanent.

Related:
Alarm over Kara Sea permafrost thawing

The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding. He said conditions are similar in northern Canada and Siberia. The permafrost helps control the hydrology, which in turn helps control the vegetation, which in turn helps control the animals that live on it."

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{The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead. }

So as usual, you're lying.

It isn't thawing, but your filthy church is PREDICTING that it could thaw.

What a bunch of lying fuckwads your cult is.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Since everything in Alaska is built on top of the permafrost ground, this is Bad.

Thawing permafrost threatens Alaska's ecosystem, UAF researcher says

"FAIRBANKS -- Climate change stands to trigger a regime change in Alaska with far-reaching consequences as frozen ground thaws beneath us, a prominent University of Alaska Fairbanks scientist told the Tanana Chiefs Conference on Tuesday.

“Permafrost is the most important part of the ecosystem for engineering in Alaska,” said hydrologist Larry Hinzman. “When you thaw the permafrost everything falls apart.”

Hinzman, the director of the International Arctic Research Center, said Alaska is well on its way to switching from a frozen to a thawed state -- not a seasonal swing, but something more permanent.

Related:
Alarm over Kara Sea permafrost thawing

The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding. He said conditions are similar in northern Canada and Siberia. The permafrost helps control the hydrology, which in turn helps control the vegetation, which in turn helps control the animals that live on it."

rest at link

{The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead. }

So as usual, you're lying.

It isn't thawing, but your filthy church is PREDICTING that it could thaw.

What a bunch of lying fuckwads your cult is.

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

ROFL; rich irony indeed.

Obviously you failed to read beyond the dishonest headline.

The permafrost is not melting, but the priests of your filthy religion have computer models that say it will melt.

{
The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.}

Just the usual fucking lying from the usual AGW scumbags.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

ROFL; rich irony indeed.

Obviously you failed to read beyond the dishonest headline.

The permafrost is not melting, but the priests of your filthy religion have computer models that say it will melt.

{
The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.}

Just the usual fucking lying from the usual AGW scumbags.

Notice you can't have a discussion abotu something without resorting to profanity and personal attacks. I've always assumed that was the refuge of the clueless and immature.

It is melting as subsiding ground and topple structures built originally on level ground proves. Wanna shout at the rain go ahead. Just making yourself look unmeasured and irrational. Might get polite applause but it's only ever going to be to get you to quit talking.

 

[gipper]

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

ROFL; rich irony indeed.

Obviously you failed to read beyond the dishonest headline.

The permafrost is not melting, but the priests of your filthy religion have computer models that say it will melt.

{
The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.}

Just the usual fucking lying from the usual AGW scumbags.

Their belief system was outlined long ago....it goes like this:

The ends justify the means.

 

[jc456]

Dunno, how old do you think this house was?

here dude learn something today:

Very interesting. Where, in that whole article, does it say that the source of the 10,000 year old sample was a layer of permafrost made up of a single layer of that age? Seems to me you are making an assumption for which there is no base. Not only that, it also states in the highlighted sentence that there were other samples taken from layers that were 20,000 and 300,000 to 400,000 years old.

Beringian Paleoecology Inferred from Permafrost-Preserved Fungal DNA

The abstract speaks of the protocals to avoid contamination during drilling for the samples. Would not be surprised if many of the samples of various ages were from one drill hole.

So when you whine and carry on about the permafrost melting in Alaska --- Where is YOUR LINK as to the AGE of what is OBSERVED to be melting?? Seems to me --- It never occurred to you before that the last 10,000 year layer is probably pretty thick and the first to go...

Promise us that next time you well up in tears about melting permafrost --- that you will DATE IT for us so that we can worry when the melt levels pass the 1900s ......

I read it takes hundreds even thousands of years to melt. So how exactly is climate change causing this?

excerpt from Weather Underground:
"The Effect of Climate Change on Permafrost

Climate change will significantly affect the complex interactions between above- and below-ground climate regimes. However, even changes in temperature at the surface take time to impact permafrost at depth; According to the Geological Survey of Canada (GSC), "for thick permafrost this lag may be on the order of hundreds to thousands of years, for thin permafrost, years to decades" (GSC, 2007).

In a recent study using freezing/thawing index, trend analysis of spatial data since 1970 indicates that in recent decades, there has been a decrease in freezing during the cold season throughout North America's permafrost regions. Additionally, coastal areas and eastern Canada have started to see "significant" increases in warm season thawing of permafrost (Frauenfeld et al., 2007). Overall, this means there has been a decrease in freeze depths and in the amount of permanent permafrost. Conversely, there has been an increase in seasonal permafrost. This increase in seasonal permafrost is not due to increases in acres frozen, but to the decrease in permanent permafrost which is not remaining frozen all year anymore. Since it is no longer perennially frozen, it loses its distinction as 'permanent' and becomes 'seasonal'.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Notice you can't have a discussion abotu something without resorting to profanity and personal attacks. I've always assumed that was the refuge of the clueless and immature.

It is melting as subsiding ground and topple structures built originally on level ground proves. Wanna shout at the rain go ahead. Just making yourself look unmeasured and irrational. Might get polite applause but it's only ever going to be to get you to quit talking.

Your own article says otherwise.

Virtually everything your church claims is a lie - yet you demand we uncritically accept their word for everything..

 

[jc456]

Since everything in Alaska is built on top of the permafrost ground, this is Bad.

Thawing permafrost threatens Alaska's ecosystem, UAF researcher says

"FAIRBANKS -- Climate change stands to trigger a regime change in Alaska with far-reaching consequences as frozen ground thaws beneath us, a prominent University of Alaska Fairbanks scientist told the Tanana Chiefs Conference on Tuesday.

“Permafrost is the most important part of the ecosystem for engineering in Alaska,” said hydrologist Larry Hinzman. “When you thaw the permafrost everything falls apart.”

Hinzman, the director of the International Arctic Research Center, said Alaska is well on its way to switching from a frozen to a thawed state -- not a seasonal swing, but something more permanent.

Related:
Alarm over Kara Sea permafrost thawing

The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding. He said conditions are similar in northern Canada and Siberia. The permafrost helps control the hydrology, which in turn helps control the vegetation, which in turn helps control the animals that live on it."

rest at link

{The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead. }

So as usual, you're lying.

It isn't thawing, but your filthy church is PREDICTING that it could thaw.

What a bunch of lying fuckwads your cult is.

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

you're exactly right. So when you gonna learn?

 

[jc456]

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

ROFL; rich irony indeed.

Obviously you failed to read beyond the dishonest headline.

The permafrost is not melting, but the priests of your filthy religion have computer models that say it will melt.

{
The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.}

Just the usual fucking lying from the usual AGW scumbags.

Notice you can't have a discussion abotu something without resorting to profanity and personal attacks. I've always assumed that was the refuge of the clueless and immature.

It is melting as subsiding ground and topple structures built originally on level ground proves. Wanna shout at the rain go ahead. Just making yourself look unmeasured and irrational. Might get polite applause but it's only ever going to be to get you to quit talking.

Funny stuff in this thread from the Gore thread by skooks:

Ahead of the climate talks, the chief guru of the climate k00ks are out there and once again, they cant help themselves!!!

Al Gore spreads environmental gospel before climate talks

The bombs keep getting bigger and bigger!!! Next year, it will be we are going to be "under 80 feet of water"!!

And these bozo's have always been wrong!!!!

Leave it to this clown to create even more skeptics!!!

Guess you haven't heard the news out of Alaska and thawing permafrost and Alaska sinking huh?

So Alaska is sinking because of Global Warming? And the permafrost has been melting for over 10,000 yrs. Pittsburgh was covered in permafrost not so long ago.. Isn't all that much left to melt...

The other effect is that we are now ACTIVELY MONITORING the permafrost. And some of this is being observed and quantified like never before. That's like the difference in tornado reporting before Doppler radar. BOUND to look larger than the historical record.

Images showing homes flipped on their melted foundations show it's happening quickly. Not over thousands of years since presumedly the homes were on level ground when constructed.

Well there is an issue that requires you to think a bit. HOMES are a GUARANTEED way to melt permafrost.

In order to REMAIN frozen, the ground needs exposure to the sky where all the surface heat eventually goes.
Not to mention the self-generated heating of the home itself. Seems like some soils engineer needs to be sued. Not an Al Gore/Global Warming problem.

BTW -- Build a ROAD and you'll eventually melt the permafrost under it. Quit being FRIGHTENED and think a bit..

Fair point. Not frightened. Even if every doom n gloom forcast re: climate change came true it's not like the world's gonna end. It's at worst a rising tide you walk calmly away from. But it is happening and it's not all as unremarkable as you seem to believe.

How would you explain away Pacific island towns now underwater due to rising sea levels? Surely that's not something like the weight of the town caused the island to sink?

"Fair point. Not frightened. Even if every doom n gloom forcast re: climate change came true it's not like the world's gonna end. It's at worst a rising tide you walk calmly away from. But it is happening and it's not all as unremarkable as you seem to believe."

 

[jc456]

still crickets on the permafrost thaw. where is your info at Delta faucet?

 

[Old Rocks]

Permafrost

Permafrost

Is Alaska Melting?
Studies of permafrost in Alaska are providing valuable information about the potential effects of global warming. One project at the University of Alaska Fairbanks Geophysical Institute has been monitoring temperatures and depth of permafrost since 1976. Precise temperature measurements have been made in a series of holes bored 200 feet deep along a line running north to south down the middle of the state along the Trans-Alaska Pipeline.

Study results show that much of the undisturbed discontinuous permafrost south of the Yukon River has warmed significantly and some of it is thawing. That raises the possibility that roads, buildings, and other structures on thawed areas will collapse. Another problem could arise as well: As permafrost thaws it can release methane and carbon dioxide, gases that contribute to the green house effect and accelerate global warming.

What Alaskans are saying.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Since everything in Alaska is built on top of the permafrost ground, this is Bad.

Thawing permafrost threatens Alaska's ecosystem, UAF researcher says

"FAIRBANKS -- Climate change stands to trigger a regime change in Alaska with far-reaching consequences as frozen ground thaws beneath us, a prominent University of Alaska Fairbanks scientist told the Tanana Chiefs Conference on Tuesday.

“Permafrost is the most important part of the ecosystem for engineering in Alaska,” said hydrologist Larry Hinzman. “When you thaw the permafrost everything falls apart.”

Hinzman, the director of the International Arctic Research Center, said Alaska is well on its way to switching from a frozen to a thawed state -- not a seasonal swing, but something more permanent.

Related:
Alarm over Kara Sea permafrost thawing

The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding. He said conditions are similar in northern Canada and Siberia. The permafrost helps control the hydrology, which in turn helps control the vegetation, which in turn helps control the animals that live on it."

rest at link

I stopped reading after "Climate change..."

 

[Old Rocks]

http://www.weather.com/news/weather/video/alaska-is-sinking-due-to-permafrost

More on Permafrost in Alaska

 

[jc456]

http://www.weather.com/news/weather/video/alaska-is-sinking-due-to-permafrost

More on Permafrost in Alaska

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

ROFL; rich irony indeed.

Obviously you failed to read beyond the dishonest headline.

The permafrost is not melting, but the priests of your filthy religion have computer models that say it will melt.

{
The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.}

Just the usual fucking lying from the usual AGW scumbags.

Notice you can't have a discussion abotu something without resorting to profanity and personal attacks. I've always assumed that was the refuge of the clueless and immature.

It is melting as subsiding ground and topple structures built originally on level ground proves. Wanna shout at the rain go ahead. Just making yourself look unmeasured and irrational. Might get polite applause but it's only ever going to be to get you to quit talking.

Funny stuff in this thread from the Gore thread by skooks:

Guess you haven't heard the news out of Alaska and thawing permafrost and Alaska sinking huh?

So Alaska is sinking because of Global Warming? And the permafrost has been melting for over 10,000 yrs. Pittsburgh was covered in permafrost not so long ago.. Isn't all that much left to melt...

The other effect is that we are now ACTIVELY MONITORING the permafrost. And some of this is being observed and quantified like never before. That's like the difference in tornado reporting before Doppler radar. BOUND to look larger than the historical record.

Images showing homes flipped on their melted foundations show it's happening quickly. Not over thousands of years since presumedly the homes were on level ground when constructed.

Well there is an issue that requires you to think a bit. HOMES are a GUARANTEED way to melt permafrost.

In order to REMAIN frozen, the ground needs exposure to the sky where all the surface heat eventually goes.
Not to mention the self-generated heating of the home itself. Seems like some soils engineer needs to be sued. Not an Al Gore/Global Warming problem.

BTW -- Build a ROAD and you'll eventually melt the permafrost under it. Quit being FRIGHTENED and think a bit..

Fair point. Not frightened. Even if every doom n gloom forcast re: climate change came true it's not like the world's gonna end. It's at worst a rising tide you walk calmly away from. But it is happening and it's not all as unremarkable as you seem to believe.

How would you explain away Pacific island towns now underwater due to rising sea levels? Surely that's not something like the weight of the town caused the island to sink?

"Fair point. Not frightened. Even if every doom n gloom forcast re: climate change came true it's not like the world's gonna end. It's at worst a rising tide you walk calmly away from. But it is happening and it's not all as unremarkable as you seem to believe."

Here read it.

 

[Crick]

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding.

Delta4 was correct in his first post when he noted your problem with reading.

 

[westwall]

Should learn how to read. Just sad when people can't then try and debate those who can.

ROFL; rich irony indeed.

Obviously you failed to read beyond the dishonest headline.

The permafrost is not melting, but the priests of your filthy religion have computer models that say it will melt.

{
The permafrost in much of Interior Alaska is already just a degree or two below the freezing point, he said, with warming expected to continue in the decades ahead.

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.

"This amount of warming can take Alaska from being frozen to being thawed,” he said, with glaciers turned into water and permafrost into thawed ground.}

Just the usual fucking lying from the usual AGW scumbags.

Notice you can't have a discussion abotu something without resorting to profanity and personal attacks. I've always assumed that was the refuge of the clueless and immature.

It is melting as subsiding ground and topple structures built originally on level ground proves. Wanna shout at the rain go ahead. Just making yourself look unmeasured and irrational. Might get polite applause but it's only ever going to be to get you to quit talking.

Notice how you can't get a story from a climatologist that isn't riddled with lies? After you've heard them for the umpteenth time they get a little boring. And annoying.

 

[westwall]

All across Alaska, the permafrost is thawing and the land surface is subsiding.

Delta4 was correct in his first post when he noted your problem with reading.

Ummmm, no he wasn't. But your lack of English comprehension is duly noted. Relevant part in BOLD....

From delta's link...

“A degree or two warming of climate makes a big difference in our world,” he said, adding that computer modeling shows more warming in the future.