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Equality baby. Embrace it. Unless you’re suggesting men can absolve themselves of parental responsibility prior to birth... But then that’s a different discussion all together. Murder legal for all! Just say “when”...Yep, you're from Alabama alright! Ummm, do men from Alabama get to be responsible for their decisions or is it just the distaff side of the equation that gets to be responsible?One problem with your fantasy. The women of AL never asked for your advice. Not to mention they voted for the government that made this happen. Too bad for you flaccid fantasy of holding men responsible for your bad decisions... So sad... Now pull up your big girl panties, and welcome the “equality” women fought for. That means you get to be held responsible for your decisions.BULLDOGI suspect it will never actually go into effect. The courts should shut it down.
If I were advising the women of that state, I'd have pushed a qualifier added to this law:
that all men should be deported from that state unless they agree to BAN MEN from having sex
if this would lead to unwanted pregnancy, unwanted children or abortion.
I would insist on adding a law that all men AGREE never to have sex except if there is agreement to carry pregnancy
to term if it occurs, and if it leads to abortion, the MEN agree to "lose their citizenship" for abuse, rape or fraud
in breaching this contract.
Try putting it on the MEN and see if they agree to harsh terms.
Only if all the MEN in that state agree to BAN SEX THAT RESULTS IN ABORTION,
and agree to take legal responsibility for violating that agreement,
where abortion is prevented 100% then I could see how it could be banned
without imposing on women disproportionately by failing to ensure legal responsibility on the men for not forcing women into such a situation involving abortion.
Try offering that, and see if MEN agree. If they argue that BOTH
partners should be under the same legal restrictions on sex,
at least that could be made equal. But not if the bans only apply
to what happens AFTER PREGNANCY which doesn't implicate the
men equally as the women for the decision to have sex. And in cases
of rape, coercion and abuse, it's the MEN who have more responsibility
for the decision behind sex and pregnancy, not the women. So how
can the bans be implemented to put that back on the MEN in proportion
to their responsibility?
Safe abortion? Do tell... Lol... You’re an idiot... No abortion is complete unless someone dies. So do tell us about these “safe abortions”. Fucking idiot...That's the rub, Penelope. The only way to obliterate abortion is birth control. Abortions actually decreased during the last admin, said to be due to birth control among other Planned Parenthood programs. Now this admin is going after abortion AND Planned Parenthood and maybe insured birth control too for all I know. A drooling moron knows that there is no law that will stop abortions, but it will stop safe abortions.What's next, outlaw BC pills or shots,
So they really don’t want to stop it.They don’t claim it will stop it. It gives the state the means to punish it. Just like any other crime... And in this case; for many doctors who can not only lose therir liscence, but also they’re freedom... It’s likely to deter many of them.How come the same lawmakers who say gun laws won't stop gun violence believe abortion laws will stop abortion?
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That excuse is old an trite.This bill is an abomination. The choices a woman makes about her body should be between her and her doctor and no one else. We cannot go back to the dark ages of reproductive rights.
Alabama legislators just passed a near-total ban on abortion
One thing that really gets me about these people in Alabama orchestrating this law that will make it a crime for a doctor in Alabama to perform an abortion and all this laws supporters; you all are supposed to be so principled you act like you are saving America from being dragged into hell by us Americans that support a women's right to an abortion for at least limited period of her pregnancy. What gets me about this legislation that wants to treat the doctors that perform the abortions like criminals is the law's proponents lack of courage, their moral inconsistency their attitude we will storm the gates of hell to stop this evil when the reality is they will as long as they don't have to pay a certain price as long as the repercussions aren't too onerous. These anti-abortion zealots here are championing the principle that abortion is a homicide that it is the unjust killing of an unborn person so that the people actually doing the act, injecting the solution into the fetus that terminates the pregnancy or that does whatever the means used, are committing an act of homicide a crime and therefore should be prosecuted for such criminal act. Okay, so you champions of righteousness the value you are promulgating is that the act of an abortion is a homicide so why don't you hold everyone culpable in that homicide criminally it is completely unjust that that you pick this group of people that are culpably involved and mandate they be criminally prosecuted and give this other group that are culpably involved and give them a free pass; it is completely unfair, unjust and unprincipled. What I am referring to here is the women that actually have the abortion not holding them criminally liable but the doctors that do the abortion as such is unjust, it is having two standards it is indefensible from a fairness standpoint. These women are fully culpable in the termination of their pregnancy through the abortion they are fully culpable in the ending of their fetus's life through the abortion procedure; but for them walking into the abortion clinic and presenting themselves for the abortion and consenting to the abortion procedure it would never happen!
Let us talk about the issue raised by this point that the anti-abortion advocates supporting this law don't want to talk about. The laws proponents here don't consistently apply the principle they use as the basis for this law because the political fallout from doing so would be too costly, the public outrage against them would be so great it would drive them out of political power in the country and they don't want to pay the price. If these anti-abortion advocates were true to their principles and made it a crime for a women to walk into an abortion clinic and have an abortion then their states would see gut wrenching cases of criminal prosecution. You would see cases of good young women away at college away from home for their first time caught up in the typical college atmosphere of drinking alcohol to excess doing so one night having sex and getting pregnant as a result and having an abortion so their life doesn't blow-up with them having a baby or young families awash in education and other understandable debt where the wife has an abortion because the family simply cannot afford to have a baby at the time such women criminally prosecuted and thrown in jail for such actions would not be tolerated by the majority of citizens in any state the public activism this would spur would get politicians that hold such values thrown out of office and the respective law revoked.
The anti-abortion Americans behind this Alabama bill and other unreasonable abortion restrictive laws being produced across America are to a large degree christian conservatives. They believe the bible and the Christian faith calls for the belief that all abortions are immoral all are a violation of the fifth commandment of God "Thou shall not Kill"! Such views are not held by all Christians some of us Christians think that in the early stages of a women's pregnancy this immoral killing issue does not apply. The problem with these anti-abortion Christians is that they know the bible, they know Church dogma, they know christian piety but they don't really know Jesus. Jesus is perfect in everything even in virtue and knowledge. Meaning Jesus is outstanding in compassion he has an outstanding amount of love and care for women that find themselves in these gut wrenching situations where they need to have an abortion which would want to find it a moral act for these women to have their abortion. This coupled with the fact that Jesus is all intelligent which would lead one to seek out what would the maximum use of reason lead one to conclude about whether or not the abortion act is moral. The commandment "thou shall not kill" does that just mean thou shall not kill a unique DNA combination, I hope not scientist are able to make unique DNA combinations at will. No it in good conscience means thou shall not kill a "human person" a "human person". Well when does a human person come into existence is it when that unique DNA combination is created when the human sperm fertilizes the human egg and a clump of unique cells is created what is the difference between that and a like scientist creation in a lab. Let us look at a reverse situation when do we know that an unquestionable person stops being a person the medical profession tells us that when a person is brain dead that person is essentially dead yes machines can keep a persons lungs and heart pumping but when a person is brain dead they aren't coming back to life they will never have any brain function that produces a human effect reasonable people consider indicia of life. The development of human reason would then call for the conclusion that at the earliest a human person comes into existence when the human brain begins operating that being when the fetus is at the stage where it begins having brain waves. Human reason would then indicate that it is not an immoral killing if the abortion takes places during the weeks of pregnancy prior to when the fetus's brain begins operation! It sure would be great for America if we could end this constant battle over abortion which derails us from improving America and the world in so many areas it needs to be improved if we could come to some middle ground where both sides could live with the state of the law on abortion!
Are you claiming that you have to have a womb to be a woman?give me a few of your in womb experiences that you can remember
