Al Sharpton: I'm black, I can't be racist

[IM2]

This has gone way past stupid. Start naming laws and policies enacted by blacks that were made to deny whites of opportunities in America.

As far as I can recall all racist policies, legislation and laws have been voted in by the Democratic Party.. You vote Democratic Party, correct? Your problem is with them and yourself obviously.

Also ...multiple decades of Democratic Party ghettos and you could careless, correct?

As far as I have SEEN, both parties are responsible and most current republicans are racists, so are the polices they are pushing. I have seen multiple decades of republican party ghettos just as much as democratic ones. I said laws and policies that are racist done by whites. WHITES, both parties.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

You want to see black racism? Go look in a mirror.

That's just plain mean, Taz.

Just because it is shiny and reflective, that is no excuse to mistreat it in that way! The poor mirror would be damaged for life.

 

[Lumpy 1]

This has gone way past stupid. Start naming laws and policies enacted by blacks that were made to deny whites of opportunities in America.

As far as I can recall all racist policies, legislation and laws have been voted in by the Democratic Party.. You vote Democratic Party, correct? Your problem is with them and yourself obviously.

Also ...multiple decades of Democratic Party ghettos and you could careless, correct?

As far as I have SEEN, both parties are responsible and most current republicans are racists, so are the polices they are pushing. I have seen multiple decades of republican party ghettos just as much as democratic ones. I said laws and policies that are racist done by whites. WHITES, both parties.

Democrats specialise in creating and sustaining ghettos, Republicans, not at all... face the facts...

You are a stooge to your Democrat oppressors... both Black and White

Not only that but you are a Racist.....

.

 

[Montrovant]

It must be nice to feel comfortable speaking for such a large group of people. And I wonder, do you think this is true worldwide, or only in the US, or in North America, what? There are blacks all over the world, do all of them think the same way?

oo-so most blacks don't care when a black criminal gets shot??
etc??
how come they don't call out Sharpton and the many others that talk crap?

1. You didn't answer my question. Which blacks are you speaking of? All blacks in the world? All blacks in North America? All blacks in the US?

2. What makes you think you have the knowledge to speak for whichever group of "all blacks" it is you are speaking for? Do you honestly think every member of any race thinks alike?

3. What are you talking about with "most blacks don't care when a black criminal gets shot??" Is that a statement or a question, and if it is a question, what is it you are asking: are you asking if most blacks care if a black criminal is shot? I wouldn't know, as I don't know most blacks. I don't know most of any racial or ethnic group. No one does.

4. Who isn't calling at "Sharpton and the many others that talk crap"? You still haven't clarified what group you are speaking about. Also, who are the many others, and what crap in particular are they talking that you think needs to be called out? For that matter, what constitutes "calling out"? Should blacks be posting en masse on USMB so you can see that they call out these people?

This conversation might go better if you could be a little clearer in your posting. Is English not your first language?

you know we are talking about the US
so the blacks are ok with criminals being shot?? but they BURN/loot/destroy ....?????!!!!!!!
LA riots
Ferguson
etc

Great! So you meant all blacks in the US, not just all blacks. That's progress!

What makes you think you can speak for all blacks in the US? What makes you think you can speak for a majority of blacks in the US, even? Particularly when you say something as over the top as all blacks thinking they are perfect humans?

Again you bring up criminals being shot. What does that have to do with you saying all blacks think they are perfect?

What makes you think that all blacks are or are not OK with criminals being shot?

Do you think all blacks BURN/loot/destroy? Do you think rioters represent all blacks?

It's hard to be sure with the way you post, but you seem to be looking at bad examples and extrapolating that onto millions of people. Does the same apply to other groups, racial or otherwise?

...so--according to your reasoning--- there is not a major problem of racism in the US--because I [ hahahhahahahah ] don't represent all whites
...all this stupid crap about racism is false--according to your reasoning
all this stuff about blacks being discriminated against is false--according to your reasoning

I'm very curious just what you think my reasoning is.

You said all blacks think they are perfect. Just own up to that being a silly statement.

 

[Montrovant]

There is a difference between racism in an individual and systemic racism.

I think I know hat Montrovant. But I also think whites are mistaken to believe they can call us racists for the same reason we do them when we have not done the same things to whites as whites have done to us. We do have the right to be angry about the way we have been treated. And whites need to learn that what they have done through the generations has created distrust.

The reason for being so doesn't change whether someone is racist.

Being angry at mistreatment is not racism.

However, there are racists in every racial group. Always have been, always will be most likely.

But that's why Sharpton is called a racist.

That's why Sharpton is called a racist by whom?

I doubt every person who considers Sharpton a racist does so for the same reason. Besides, I think I've heard him described as a race-baiter more often than a racist.

By the republicans, conservatives, alt right racists. All of who frequent this forum. And yes, they do call Sharpton a racist for those reasons. And calling him a race baiter is saying he's a racist.

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

 

[Hellbilly]

The only person more racist than Al is IM2.

You are more racist than either of them.

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[Taz]

The only person more racist than Al is IM2.

You are more racist than either of them.

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No, you are.

 

[IM2]

I think I know hat Montrovant. But I also think whites are mistaken to believe they can call us racists for the same reason we do them when we have not done the same things to whites as whites have done to us. We do have the right to be angry about the way we have been treated. And whites need to learn that what they have done through the generations has created distrust.

The reason for being so doesn't change whether someone is racist.

Being angry at mistreatment is not racism.

However, there are racists in every racial group. Always have been, always will be most likely.

But that's why Sharpton is called a racist.

That's why Sharpton is called a racist by whom?

I doubt every person who considers Sharpton a racist does so for the same reason. Besides, I think I've heard him described as a race-baiter more often than a racist.

By the republicans, conservatives, alt right racists. All of who frequent this forum. And yes, they do call Sharpton a racist for those reasons. And calling him a race baiter is saying he's a racist.

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

 

[IM2]

This has gone way past stupid. Start naming laws and policies enacted by blacks that were made to deny whites of opportunities in America.

As far as I can recall all racist policies, legislation and laws have been voted in by the Democratic Party.. You vote Democratic Party, correct? Your problem is with them and yourself obviously.

Also ...multiple decades of Democratic Party ghettos and you could careless, correct?

As far as I have SEEN, both parties are responsible and most current republicans are racists, so are the polices they are pushing. I have seen multiple decades of republican party ghettos just as much as democratic ones. I said laws and policies that are racist done by whites. WHITES, both parties.

Democrats specialise in creating and sustaining ghettos, Republicans, not at all... face the facts...

You are a stooge to your Democrat oppressors... both Black and White

Not only that but you are a Racist.....

.

Wrong on all counts.

 

[Montrovant]

The reason for being so doesn't change whether someone is racist.

Being angry at mistreatment is not racism.

However, there are racists in every racial group. Always have been, always will be most likely.

But that's why Sharpton is called a racist.

That's why Sharpton is called a racist by whom?

I doubt every person who considers Sharpton a racist does so for the same reason. Besides, I think I've heard him described as a race-baiter more often than a racist.

By the republicans, conservatives, alt right racists. All of who frequent this forum. And yes, they do call Sharpton a racist for those reasons. And calling him a race baiter is saying he's a racist.

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

 

[IM2]

But that's why Sharpton is called a racist.

That's why Sharpton is called a racist by whom?

I doubt every person who considers Sharpton a racist does so for the same reason. Besides, I think I've heard him described as a race-baiter more often than a racist.

By the republicans, conservatives, alt right racists. All of who frequent this forum. And yes, they do call Sharpton a racist for those reasons. And calling him a race baiter is saying he's a racist.

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

This is the websters definition of race baiting.
race-baiting
noun

• : the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people

I think after over 30 years work on issues that primarily affect communities of color I know full well about the so called nuances. It is important to have the interpersonal experiences with individuals to know the type of person who uses statements about race unfairly to influence actions or attitudes. Nothing is going to be 100 percent, but …..

 

[Montrovant]

That's why Sharpton is called a racist by whom?

I doubt every person who considers Sharpton a racist does so for the same reason. Besides, I think I've heard him described as a race-baiter more often than a racist.

By the republicans, conservatives, alt right racists. All of who frequent this forum. And yes, they do call Sharpton a racist for those reasons. And calling him a race baiter is saying he's a racist.

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

This is the websters definition of race baiting.
race-baiting
noun

• : the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people

I think after over 30 years work on issues that primarily affect communities of color I know full well about the so called nuances. It is important to have the interpersonal experiences with individuals to know the type of person who uses statements about race unfairly to influence actions or attitudes. Nothing is going to be 100 percent, but …..

So as I said, being a racist is not a requirement of race-baiting.

 

[IM2]

By the republicans, conservatives, alt right racists. All of who frequent this forum. And yes, they do call Sharpton a racist for those reasons. And calling him a race baiter is saying he's a racist.

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

This is the websters definition of race baiting.
race-baiting
noun

• : the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people

I think after over 30 years work on issues that primarily affect communities of color I know full well about the so called nuances. It is important to have the interpersonal experiences with individuals to know the type of person who uses statements about race unfairly to influence actions or attitudes. Nothing is going to be 100 percent, but …..

So as I said, being a racist is not a requirement of race-baiting.

Except it is.

 

[Montrovant]

Calling someone a race-baiter is not the same as saying they are racist. A race-baiter is someone who uses race and racial issues to sow discord; a person who pushes an agenda by playing up people's feelings or concerns regarding race.

Anyone can be a race-baiter, regardless of their feelings about race.

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

This is the websters definition of race baiting.
race-baiting
noun

• : the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people

I think after over 30 years work on issues that primarily affect communities of color I know full well about the so called nuances. It is important to have the interpersonal experiences with individuals to know the type of person who uses statements about race unfairly to influence actions or attitudes. Nothing is going to be 100 percent, but …..

So as I said, being a racist is not a requirement of race-baiting.

Except it is.

Not even the definition you just posted for race-baiting requires one to be racist.

Or are you now going to claim that using statements about race to influence others can only be done by racists?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Al Sharpton....

Former Drug Dealer and part time Pentecostal preacher
Former FBI Informant to avoid jail himself....some call that a Rat
Then became a baptist minister.... didn't pay enough so he became a self-proclaimed civil rights advocate after seeing the amounts of cash Jesse Jackson could roll in.

What a stand up guy.

 

[IM2]

Montrovant, you have an opinion, but I really don't need your instructing me on what a race baiter is. Any one can't be a race baiter Montrovant. I know you wish things were that simple. The definition of racist or racism means you are a race baiter. To define yourself superior based on race is a racial issue.

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

This is the websters definition of race baiting.
race-baiting
noun

• : the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people

I think after over 30 years work on issues that primarily affect communities of color I know full well about the so called nuances. It is important to have the interpersonal experiences with individuals to know the type of person who uses statements about race unfairly to influence actions or attitudes. Nothing is going to be 100 percent, but …..

So as I said, being a racist is not a requirement of race-baiting.

Except it is.

Not even the definition you just posted for race-baiting requires one to be racist.

Or are you now going to claim that using statements about race to influence others can only be done by racists?

I am going to claim that unfair statements made about race are, which was the definition I presented. Using fair and fact based statements about policy impacts due to race isn't race baiting and those statements are and can be used to influence people to change such policies. Your definition whereby a statement, any statement made about race to influence people is race bating is just plain and simply incorrect IMO.

 

[Montrovant]

Since you seem to be using an odd definition for race-baiter, maybe you do need some instruction.

Here are some definitions:

race-baiting | Definition of race-baiting in US English by Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of RACE-BAITING
Urban Dictionary: Race Baiter

Obviously someone can be a racist and race-baiter. Maybe that's even true most of the time. However, it is certainly not required.

It has nothing to do with simplicity. In fact, I would argue that you are the one trying to simplify things by putting racism or racists and race-baiting into the same box, rather than seeing the differences and nuances involved.

Racism is believing a race is superior or inferior to others. Race-baiting is using race to push an agenda. A person can be racist without being a race-baiter (think of a silent racist). A person can be a race-baiter without being racist (think of politicians). The two terms are not the same.

This is the websters definition of race baiting.
race-baiting
noun

• : the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people

I think after over 30 years work on issues that primarily affect communities of color I know full well about the so called nuances. It is important to have the interpersonal experiences with individuals to know the type of person who uses statements about race unfairly to influence actions or attitudes. Nothing is going to be 100 percent, but …..

So as I said, being a racist is not a requirement of race-baiting.

Except it is.

Not even the definition you just posted for race-baiting requires one to be racist.

Or are you now going to claim that using statements about race to influence others can only be done by racists?

I am going to claim that unfair statements made about race are, which was the definition I presented. Using fair and fact based statements about policy impacts due to race isn't race baiting and those statements are and can be used to influence people to change such policies. Your definition whereby a statement, any statement made about race to influence people is race bating is just plain and simply incorrect IMO.

I was paraphrasing.

Race-baiting does not require statements that are racist or untrue. For example, it might be race-baiting for someone to point out that according to the FBI, blacks commit homicides at a greater rate than do whites. The statement is true, and might be perfectly reasonable, but it also might be used to imply something to an audience, to inflame opinions, etc.

Similarly, it might be race-baiting for someone to point out that according to a Washington Post database, blacks are killed by police at a higher rate than whites. It's a true statement, and again might be perfectly reasonable, but it also could be used to imply something to an audience, to inflame opinions, etc.

Context is important, and racism (real or projected) is not required. Considering race-baiting is so often attributed to politicians and those involved in politics, we're talking about people who likely use all sorts of baiting: race, ethnicity, gender, economic status, education, pick the grouping you want, these are the sorts of people who make a living by trying to shape perception and often don't worry overly much about scruples or honesty.

In the particular cast of Sharpton, I don't pay enough attention to him to have an opinion about possible racism on his part. I do get an impression that he is an opportunist, though, and I certainly don't think race-baiting is something he would shy away from.

 

[dave p]

The only person more racist than Al is IM2.

To bad you can't post a racist quote from me.

All your posts are racist.

 

[MizMolly]

The only person more racist than Al is IM2.

To bad you can't post a racist quote from me.

To be blunt, IM2...I'd be hard pressed to find one of your posts that doesn't reek of racism! It's your thing.

When you find a post from me whereby I declare the superiority of blacks then you can call me a racist. But pointing out instances of white racism is not that.

You call many white posters racist who do not feel superior to blacks.

 

[Taz]