Al Qaida 'Has 18,000 Terrorists Waiting to Attack'

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Al Qaida 'Has 18,000 Terrorists Waiting to Attack'
By Helen William, PA News

Al Qaida has more than 18,000 terrorists waiting for the order to attack targets in Europe and the US, preferably with weapons of mass destruction, a leading think-tank said today.

The war in Iraq has “focused the energies and resources of al Qaida and its followers while diluting those of the global counter-terrorism coalition”, the International Institute for Strategic Studies argued.

Despite the killing or capture of around 2,000 al Qaida fighters, including some key figures, the group remains a powerhouse for Islamic terrorists operating in more than 60 countries, the IISS annual Strategic Survey warned.

And western targets are firmly in the firing line.

“The Madrid bombings in March 2004 suggested that al Qaida had fully reconstituted, set its sights firmly on the US and its closest western allies in Europe, and established a new and effective modus operandi that increasingly exploited local affiliates,” IISS director John Chipman told a central London press conference.

“Al Qaida must be expected to keep trying to develop more promising plans for terrorist operations in North America and Europe, potentially involving weapons of mass destruction.

“Meanwhile, soft targets encompassing Americans, Europeans and Israelis, and aiding the insurgency in Iraq, will suffice.”

The IISS’s 18,000 figure is based on intelligence estimates that al Qaida trained at least 20,000 fighters in its camps in Afghanistan before the United States and its allies ousted the Taliban regime.

Much damage has also been inflicted upon political and military affairs across Europe since the Iraq war began in March 2003, the IISS contends.

The report said: “Politically, it split the US and major continental European powers, leaving the United Kingdom uncomfortably in the middle, and induced uncertainty in other governments about the extent of any contribution to the post-conflict effort.”

On the military front, the war’s high maintenance character has set a “forbidding precedent” that even the US will find difficult to meet, the IISS argue.

US action has left Europe suffering from “strategic arthritis”, it said.

In having initially marginalised the United Nations in going into battle, the war has broadened the criteria for intervention beyond humanitarian concerns or imminent threats to strategic transformation.

The report said: “The Iraq war and its aftermath have also raised serious questions about pre-emptive and preventative war as a means of counter-proliferation, and about the uses and abuses of intelligence as a basis for military action.”

On another cautionary note, the IISS warns that while the focus remains on the war against terror major problems could loom in other regions that the world is not prepared for.

These could include a shift in diplomacy from North Korea, a sudden genocide in Africa or a massive civil war needing an urgent humanitarian response.

“Strategic surprises are more likely in the prevailing environment than they were during the Cold War or before,” the report concludes.

The US government is struggling against “mismanaged” interventions and peacekeeping operations to maintain the difficult balance between its reputation, prestige and power, Dr Chipman argued.

He said: “The US is realising the awful truth that the first law of peacekeeping is the same as the first law of forensics – every contact leaves a trace.

“Unfortunately, too many bad traces have been left recently, and many good ones will be needed for the US to recover its reputation, its prestige and therefore effective power.”

An efficiently executed plan for the full handover of sovereignty to Iraq and stronger international support for that strategy is vital to the US.

Any chance of winning over hearts and minds will be lost if US unilateralism is not tempered and the next six months will be a “substantial” test to the coalition, he said.
 
And they are probably all based right here in NJ! probably all 18,000 are in Iselin aka ISLAM!!! to think, I once liked that town.
 
Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
I don't see how anyone can take this lightly, afterall, it only took 19 people to create the tragedy of 9/11.

Which is precisely why there is no way in hell there are 18,000. If there were, everything would be blowing up everywhere. Clearly, that isn't happening.
 
Originally posted by Zhukov
Which is precisely why there is no way in hell there are 18,000. If there were, everything would be blowing up everywhere. Clearly, that isn't happening.

Why are you so confident there can't be that many in the world?

Seriously.
 
Why would they be waiting to unleash even a small number of the 18,000 terrorists while they are getting whooped in Afghanistan and Iraq? Clearly they would have some to spare.

It's not just 'in the world', they're claiming these people are in positions to strike vital western interests in the US and Europe. Why wait?

18,000 individuals divided by cells of 18 let's say (for simplicity's sake). That's 1000 different cells! They could attack us, or an ally of ours, once a day for three years. You'd think that if they could be doing that, they would be.




Sure, there might be that many or more total in Iran / Syria / Lebanon / Indonesia, but they aren't in any position to harm us.

But I'm no 'leading think tank' so what do I know?
 
I think it's pretty hard to read into why or when they do these things.

These terrorists are obviously out of their minds...
 
someone should put up Bin Laden School of Terrorism up at classmates.com and see if any of the 18,000 sign up. better yet after they sign up set up a reunion and nuke the place
 
Originally posted by Lefty Wilbury
someone should put up Bin Laden School of Terrorism up at classmates.com and see if any of the 18,000 sign up. better yet after they sign up set up a reunion and nuke the place

If only these terrorists were as stupid as the average criminal...
great idea! he-he, you got a laugh from me anyway
 
Wow - they actually counted them? If they counted them they must know where Al Qaeda is hiding. Or was Al Qeada the source of this number? If so, how is it possible we can't find one or two of these 18,000 people somewhere in the world?

I find it sort of interesting that Ashcroft and Co. are coming out wiht more dire predictions right after poll numbers indicating that Bush is serious trouble are released.

I do think there is a significant possibility of further terrorist attacks on the U.S. and U.S. interests in the future, I also think that this administration is neither prepared, nor equipped mentally to stop them.

acludem
 
Originally posted by acludem
Wow - they actually counted them? If they counted them they must know where Al Qaeda is hiding. Or was Al Qeada the source of this number? If so, how is it possible we can't find one or two of these 18,000 people somewhere in the world?

I find it sort of interesting that Ashcroft and Co. are coming out wiht more dire predictions right after poll numbers indicating that Bush is serious trouble are released.

I do think there is a significant possibility of further terrorist attacks on the U.S. and U.S. interests in the future, I also think that this administration is neither prepared, nor equipped mentally to stop them.

acludem

Aside from "my" opinon, that we should just simply start making parking lots where ever we find terrorists, I'm curious, what is YOUR opinion on how we "mentally prepare" ourselves?

If it's good, maybe you could email it to the White House for consideration.
 
Zhukov

Are you a Russian? Or do you just admire the guy who saved Moscow? Just curious.
 
I'm with Zhukov.

If there were 18k terrorists, we'd have been hit domestically more than once. The fact that we haven't experienced any attacks since America awoke on 9/11 speaks volumes as to the numbers and strength of Al Qaeda.

It took them how many months to set up operations in Iraq? A country that has relatively no security at the borders and no government?

They're on the ropes.

I think it's a stroke of pure genius that they're flocking to Iraq where our Military is deployed. Every one of those animals killed there is one less possiblilty of attacking our civilians in America.

Like the man said, Bring It On.
 
Im guessing that out of this 18k, those that are actually IN this country are waiting, planning, looking for the big strike. maximum kills for minimum effort.
 
Originally posted by acludem
I find it sort of interesting that Ashcroft and Co. are coming out wiht more dire predictions right after poll numbers indicating that Bush is serious trouble are released.

acludem

I find it sort of interesting that you obviously didn't read the article. The article was written by a group that feels the administration is not handling the situation properly. Why do you continually make an ass out of yourself? Oh, I know, because it is an inate trait within you!
 
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Originally posted by acludem

Wow - they actually counted them? If they counted them they must know where Al Qaeda is hiding. Or was Al Qeada the source of this number? If so, how is it possible we can't find one or two of these 18,000 people somewhere in the world?

I find it sort of interesting that Ashcroft and Co. are coming out wiht more dire predictions right after poll numbers indicating that Bush is serious trouble are released.

acludem
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Where do you come with these insane ideas???

The 18000 is based off of an estimate that 20000 jihadists went through the training camps in Afghanstan, and 2000 of them have been killed.

If they say nothing you'll complain that there was no warning.

Keep trying to politicize the issue, it's all you are good at.
 
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Originally posted by acludem

Wow - they actually counted them? If they counted them they must know where Al Qaeda is hiding. Or was Al Qeada the source of this number? If so, how is it possible we can't find one or two of these 18,000 people somewhere in the world?

I find it sort of interesting that Ashcroft and Co. are coming out wiht more dire predictions right after poll numbers indicating that Bush is serious trouble are released.

acludem
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Actually you will probably be much happier to know that the administration did not come up with the number, actually your buddy Al Gore was ranting this number yesterday.

It was published by a think tank in Britain a couple days ago:

Thousands of potential terrorists

The report released Tuesday by the London-based International Institute of Strategic Studies said that far from being crippled by the U.S.-led war on terrorism, al-Qaida has more than 18,000 potential terrorists scattered around the world and the war in Iraq is swelling its ranks.

Al-Qaida probably is working on plans for major attacks on the U.S. and Europe, and it may be seeking weapons of mass destruction in its desire to inflict as many casualties as possible, the independent think tank said in its annual survey of world affairs.

Osama bin Laden's network appears to be operating in more than 60 nations, often in concert with local allies, the report said.
 

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