Al Gore admits global warming purely political.

[Bfgrn]

It's funny how the AGW cultists screech "Follow the money!!" -- except for fellow cultists.

No, they take their position based on love of and concern for mankind. Pay no attention to the billions in grant money behind that curtain.

It's amazing deniers survive crossing a street. People that only look one way get squished by oncoming traffic. The 'grant' money pales in comparison to the billions in profit dirty energy producers make every year. And the human carnage pales in comparison to clean energy. The same folks that grabbed pom poms to cheer on a war over the deaths of 3000 Americans have NO response when six times as many Americans die every year from breathing and absorbing dirty energy's toxic airborne particulates and pollutants. Dirty energy's well funded echo chamber has been very successful creating doubt and delaying America from enacting a comprehensive energy policy. But THAT was their intent. We found that out from the leaked 1998 American Petroleum Institute memo. It had nothing to do with science. It had to do with 'tactics'

Global Climate Science Communications

Action Plan

Project Goal
A majority of the American public, including industry leadership, recognizes that significant uncertainties exist in climate science, and therefore raises questions among those (e.g. Congress) who chart the future U.S. course on global climate change.

Progress will be measured toward the goal. A measurement of the public's perspective on climate science will be taken before the plan is launched, and the same measurement will be taken at one or more as-yet-to-be-determined intervals as the plan is implemented,


Victory Will Be Achieved When

* Average citizens "understand" (recognize) uncertainties in climate science; recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the "conventional wisdom"

* Media "understands" (recognizes) uncertainties in climate science

* Media coverage reflects balance on climate science and recognition of the validity of viewpoints that challenge the current "conventional wisdom"

* Industry senior leadership understands uncertainties in climate science, making them stronger ambassadors to those who shape climate policy

* Those promoting the Kyoto treaty on the basis of extent science appears to be out of touch with reality.

Current Reality

Unless "climate change" becomes a non-issue, meaning that the Kyoto proposal is defeated and there are no further initiatives to thwart the threat of climate change, there may be no moment when we can declare victory for our efforts. It will be necessary to establish measurements for the science effort to track progress toward achieving the goal and strategic success.

Strategies and Tactics

I. National Media Relations Program: Develop and implement a national media relations program to inform the media about uncertainties in climate science; to generate national, regional and local media coverage on the scientific uncertainties, and thereby educate and inform the public, stimulating them to raise questions with policy makers.

Tactics: These tactics will be undertaken between now and the next climate meeting in Buenos Aires/Argentina, in November 1998, and will be continued thereafter, as appropriate. Activities will be launched as soon as the plan is approved, funding obtained, and the necessary resources (e.g., public relations counsel) arranged and deployed. In all cases, tactical implementation will be fully integrated with other elements of this action plan, most especially Strategy II (National Climate Science Data Center).

Identify, recruit and train a team of five independent scientists to participate in media outreach. These will be individuals who do not have a long history of visibility and/or participation in the climate change debate. Rather, this team will consist of new faces who will add their voices to those recognized scientists who already are vocal.

* Develop a global climate science information kit for media including peer-reviewed papers that undercut the "conventional wisdom"on climate science. This kit also will include understandable communications, including simple fact sheets that present scientific uncertainties in language that the media and public can understand.

* Conduct briefings by media-trained scientists for science writers in the top 20 media markets, using the information kits. Distribute the information kits to daily newspapers nationwide with offer of scientists to brief reporters at each paper. Develop, disseminate radio news releases featuring scientists nationwide, and offer scientists to appear on radio talk shows across the country.

* Produce, distribute a steady stream of climate science information via facsimile and e-mail to science writers around the country.

* Produce, distribute via syndicate and directly to newspapers nationwide a steady stream of op-ed columns and letters to the editor authored by scientists.

* Convince one of the major news national TV journalists (e.g., John Stossel ) to produce a report examining the scientific underpinnings of the Kyoto treaty.

* Organize, promote and conduct through grassroots organizations a series of campus/community workshops/debates on climate science in 10 most important states during the period mid-August through October, 1998.

* Consider advertising the scientific uncertainties in select markets to support national, regional and local (e.g., workshops / debates), as appropriate.

 

[Missourian]

Yeah what a great idea.

Let's turn our food into fuel.

And when we run out of food maybe we can convert our children into fuel, too.

Don't give the envirokooks any ideas.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8[/ame]

 

[KissMy]

How much has Gore made since leaving office, over 200 million, over 300 million, maybe more.

Of course Gore sold the strategic oil reserves to his families oil company so this is nothing new.

Libels profiting and using the office of politics to pass laws and regulations to make themselves rich.

Climate Change is the main pillar of the Clinton Global Initiative which has garnered $63 Billion as of 2010.

 

[daveman]

It ain't about Al Gore, silly asses. It is about a warming world and nearly seven billion people totally dependent on agriculture that is dependent on stable weather.

But, not to worry, we are soon to see the effects of ignoring what the scientists are telling us concerning the warming.

Sooo...you gleefully anticipate people dying because it validates what you've been saying?

That's despicable.

Old Crock would have all the unbelievers put in the oven.

It's the leftist thing to do. They have to have belief in their ideas mandated by law -- otherwise no one would accept them.

 

[daveman]

It's funny how the AGW cultists screech "Follow the money!!" -- except for fellow cultists.

No, they take their position based on love of and concern for mankind. Pay no attention to the billions in grant money behind that curtain.

It's amazing deniers survive crossing a street.

Let me know when you bozos have a solution that doesn't involve massive redistribution of wealth, okay? Then you might be correct in saying AGW isn't a means to establish world socialism and extend greater government control over individual lives.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Yeah what a great idea.

Let's turn our food into fuel.

And when we run out of food maybe we can convert our children into fuel, too.

I heard Soylent Green goes great with some cheese and crackers.

 

[westwall]

YOU didn't play. What dirty energy cartel's manufactured lackeys should I mistake for 'real'???

Look it up yourself. There are plenty of sources for you to find who is driving the truck. You wouldn't believe me if I did tell you so you do the work yourself, then you'll believe it.

Start with BP and Chevron. The search will lead on from there.

The 'dirty energy cartel's manufactured lackeys' I'm referring to are the well funded global warming denial organizations that are part of the echo chamber that's been created. Here's a few of those organizations.

Global Warming Skeptic Organizations

Global Climate Coalition

Founded in 1989 by 46 corporations and trade associations representing all major elements of US industry, the GCC presents itself as a "voice for business in the global warming debate." The group funded several flawed studies on the economics of the cost of mitigating climate change, which formed the basis of their 1997/1998 multi-million dollar advertising campaign against the Kyoto Protocol. The GCC began to unravel in 1997 when British Petroleum withdrew its membership. Since then many other corporations have followed BP s lead and left the coalition. This exodus reached a fevered pitch in the early months of 2000 when DaimlerChrysler, Texaco and General Motors all announced their exodus from the GCC. Since these desertions, the GCC restructured and remains a powerful and well-funded force focused on obstructing meaningful efforts to mitigate climate change.

Spin: Global Warming is real, but it is too expensive to do anything about. The Kyoto Protocol is fundamentally flawed.

Funding: Corporate members (industries, trade associations etc.)

George Marshall Institute

This conservative think tank shifted its focus from Star Wars to climate change in the late 1980s. In 1989, the Marshall Institute released a report claiming that "cyclical variations in the intensity of the sun would offset any climate change associated with elevated greenhouse gases." Though refuted by the IPCC, the report was very influential in influencing the Bush Sr. Administration s climate change policy. The Marshall Institute has since published numerous reports downplaying the severity of global climate change.

Spin: Blame the Sun. The Kyoto Protocol is fatally flawed.

Affiliated Individuals: Sallie Baliunas, an astrophysicist from Harvard; and Frederick Seitz.

Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine

The Marshall Institute co-sponsored with the OISM a deceptive campaign -- known as the Petition Project -- to undermine and discredit the scientific authority of the IPCC and to oppose the Kyoto Protocol. Early in the spring of 1998, thousands of scientists around the country received a mass mailing urging them to sign a petition calling on the government to reject the Kyoto Protocol. The petition was accompanied by other pieces including an article formatted to mimic the journal of the National Academy of Sciences. Subsequent research revealed that the article had not been peer-reviewed, nor published, nor even accepted for publication in that journal and the Academy released a strong statement disclaiming any connection to this effort and reaffirming the reality of climate change. The Petition resurfaced in 2001.

Spin: There is no scientific basis for claims about global warming. IPCC is a hoax. Kyoto is flawed.

Funding: Petition was funded by private sources.

Affiliated Individuals: Arthur B. Robinson, Sallie L. Baliunas, Frederick Seitz


Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)

Founded in 1990 by widely publicized climate skeptic S. Fred Singer, SEPP s stated purpose is to "document the relationship between scientific data and the development of federal environmental policy." SEPP has mounted a sizeable media campaign -- publishing articles, letters to the editor, and a large number of press releases -- to discredit the issues of global warming, ozone depletion, and acid rain.

Spin: Moreover, climate change won t be bad for us anyway. Action on climate change is not warranted because of shaky science and flawed policy approaches.

Funding: Conservative foundations including Bradley, Smith Richardson, and Forbes. SEPP has also been directly tied to ultra right-wing mogul Reverend Sung Myung Moon s Unification Church, including receipt of a year s free office space from a Moon-funded group and the participation of SEPP s director in church-sponsored conferences and on the board of a Moon-funded magazine.

Affiliated Individuals:S. Fred Singer,Frederick Seitz


Greening Earth Society

The Greening Earth Society (GES) was founded on Earth Day 1998 by the Western Fuels Association to promote the view that increasing levels of atmospheric CO2 are good for humanity. GES and Western Fuels are essentially the same organization. Both used to be located at the same office suite in Arlington, VA. Until December 2000, Fred Palmer chaired both institutions. The GES is now chaired by Bob Norrgard, another long-term Western Fuels associate. The Western Fuels Assocation (WFA) is a cooperative of coal-dependent utilities in the western states that works in part to discredit climate change science and to prevent regulations that might damage coal-related industries.


Spin: CO2 emissions are good for the planet; coal is the best energy source we have.

Affiliated Individuals: Patrick Michaels, Robert Balling, David Wojick, Sallie Baliunas, Sylvan Wittwer, John Daley, Sherwood Idso

Funding: The Greening Earth Society receives its funding from the Western Fuels Association, which in turn receives its funding from its coal and utility company members.


Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide & Global Change

The Center claims to "disseminate factual reports and sound commentary on new developments in the world-wide scientific quest to determine the climactic and biological consequences of the ongoing rise in the air's CO2 content." The Center is led by two brothers, Craig and Keith Idso. Their father, Sherwood Idso, is affiliated with the Greening Earth Society; the Center also shares a board member (Sylvan Wittwer) with GES. Both Idso brothers have been on the Western Fuels payroll at one time or another.

Spin: Increased levels of CO2 will help plants, and that's good.

Funding: The Center is extremely secretive of its funding sources, stating that it is their policy not to divulge it funders. There is evidence for a strong connection to the Greening Earth Society (ergo Western Fuels Association).

Affiliated Individuals: Craig Idso, Keith Idso, Sylvan Wittwer



So now you have moved from climate change is not real to climate change is a ponzi scheme by dirty energy cartels to reap big profits?

I assume by 'wholly fictitious market' you are referring to cap & trade. Can you name one industry that emits only carbon dioxide?

No, I can't. CO2 is a byproduct of everything that lives (except for plants of course that need it to survive) how convenient it is to pass a tax on a substance essential for life, that all things emit, and which has never been proven to do the horrible things that are attributed to it. Quite the opposite in fact.

Now that the EPA has classified it as a pollutant the EPA can now quite legally fine you for pollution. You may think this is silly but in fact it will eventually get to that point. As Cap and Tax is failing the EPA is unilaterally moving to implement the controls it wants. Ergo, eventually some nameless bureaucrat will determine that the gov needs a new revenue stream and the legislation is allready in place. Voila, there's your carbon tax that the eco-nazi's are talking about.


German Climate Adviser: 'Industrialized Nations Are Facing CO2 Insolvency' - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

 

[westwall]

It's funny how the AGW cultists screech "Follow the money!!" -- except for fellow cultists.

No, they take their position based on love of and concern for mankind. Pay no attention to the billions in grant money behind that curtain.

It's amazing deniers survive crossing a street. People that only look one way get squished by oncoming traffic. The 'grant' money pales in comparison to the billions in profit dirty energy producers make every year. And the human carnage pales in comparison to clean energy. The same folks that grabbed pom poms to cheer on a war over the deaths of 3000 Americans have NO response when six times as many Americans die every year from breathing and absorbing dirty energy's toxic airborne particulates and pollutants. Dirty energy's well funded echo chamber has been very successful creating doubt and delaying America from enacting a comprehensive energy policy. But THAT was their intent. We found that out from the leaked 1998 American Petroleum Institute memo. It had nothing to do with science. It had to do with 'tactics'

Global Climate Science Communications

Action Plan

Project Goal
A majority of the American public, including industry leadership, recognizes that significant uncertainties exist in climate science, and therefore raises questions among those (e.g. Congress) who chart the future U.S. course on global climate change.

Progress will be measured toward the goal. A measurement of the public's perspective on climate science will be taken before the plan is launched, and the same measurement will be taken at one or more as-yet-to-be-determined intervals as the plan is implemented,


Victory Will Be Achieved When

* Average citizens "understand" (recognize) uncertainties in climate science; recognition of uncertainties becomes part of the "conventional wisdom"

* Media "understands" (recognizes) uncertainties in climate science

* Media coverage reflects balance on climate science and recognition of the validity of viewpoints that challenge the current "conventional wisdom"

* Industry senior leadership understands uncertainties in climate science, making them stronger ambassadors to those who shape climate policy

* Those promoting the Kyoto treaty on the basis of extent science appears to be out of touch with reality.

Current Reality

Unless "climate change" becomes a non-issue, meaning that the Kyoto proposal is defeated and there are no further initiatives to thwart the threat of climate change, there may be no moment when we can declare victory for our efforts. It will be necessary to establish measurements for the science effort to track progress toward achieving the goal and strategic success.

Strategies and Tactics

I. National Media Relations Program: Develop and implement a national media relations program to inform the media about uncertainties in climate science; to generate national, regional and local media coverage on the scientific uncertainties, and thereby educate and inform the public, stimulating them to raise questions with policy makers.

Tactics: These tactics will be undertaken between now and the next climate meeting in Buenos Aires/Argentina, in November 1998, and will be continued thereafter, as appropriate. Activities will be launched as soon as the plan is approved, funding obtained, and the necessary resources (e.g., public relations counsel) arranged and deployed. In all cases, tactical implementation will be fully integrated with other elements of this action plan, most especially Strategy II (National Climate Science Data Center).

Identify, recruit and train a team of five independent scientists to participate in media outreach. These will be individuals who do not have a long history of visibility and/or participation in the climate change debate. Rather, this team will consist of new faces who will add their voices to those recognized scientists who already are vocal.

* Develop a global climate science information kit for media including peer-reviewed papers that undercut the "conventional wisdom"on climate science. This kit also will include understandable communications, including simple fact sheets that present scientific uncertainties in language that the media and public can understand.

* Conduct briefings by media-trained scientists for science writers in the top 20 media markets, using the information kits. Distribute the information kits to daily newspapers nationwide with offer of scientists to brief reporters at each paper. Develop, disseminate radio news releases featuring scientists nationwide, and offer scientists to appear on radio talk shows across the country.

* Produce, distribute a steady stream of climate science information via facsimile and e-mail to science writers around the country.

* Produce, distribute via syndicate and directly to newspapers nationwide a steady stream of op-ed columns and letters to the editor authored by scientists.

* Convince one of the major news national TV journalists (e.g., John Stossel ) to produce a report examining the scientific underpinnings of the Kyoto treaty.

* Organize, promote and conduct through grassroots organizations a series of campus/community workshops/debates on climate science in 10 most important states during the period mid-August through October, 1998.

* Consider advertising the scientific uncertainties in select markets to support national, regional and local (e.g., workshops / debates), as appropriate.

Thanks to "deniers" who do the real work that keeps your food on the table you havn't starved yet.

As far as tactics goes here are a few for you......

http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/blog/general/473-phelim-refutes-alarmists-mass-migration-claims

Newsweek mimics tobacco industry tactics | Press

Climategate Denier Raises Nazi Allusions, Employs Awesome CRU Tactics, Purges Arguments That Prove Him Wrong

Climate Resistance Jon Krosnick


I can go on and on and on with different blogs from the alarmists saying they need to change their tactics because no one believes them any more but I'm sure you allready have those bookmarked so I just gave you a smattering from the opposite side.

Also, as I am sure you are aware, no sceptic has ever said that you alarmists should be killed or imprisoned but your side has made those claims repeatedly. Seems to me when you have to resort to Stalinist purges you've got some pretty severe problems, no?

One other thing, just how much money do you think the sceptics have paid to battle the alarmist scam? It is far less than the 100 billion the alarmists have gotten from us the taxpayer so far. That much I can assure you. So if you want to talk about money being used to influence the outcome the alarmists have outspent the sceptics over 10 to one.

 

[Ozmar]

Former U.S. Vice President Al Gore has said he made a mistake promoting first generation corn ethanol during his presidential campaign in 2000.

Gore says he was more concerned with garnering votes from farmers in Tennessee and Iowa than with what was best for the environment.* A clean energy enthusiast, Gore says corn ethanol is not a sustainable alternative to fossil fuels.* The process of converting corn into ethanol is highly energy intensive and also requires using a food crop for fuel."


Al Gore Says Supporting Corn Ethanol Was a Mistake | The Energy Collective

There seems to be a disconnect between the title of this thread, and the title of the article wherein it is contained.