Airline-bomb plot discovered by US tapping internatl calls

[dilloduck]

yes it was very poplular during the blow job years

YOU CRACK ME UP-----getting popular again too---Bush is causing everything--he's a substitute teacher at the madrasas and converting "home grown" Brits now.

 

[manu1959]

YOU CRACK ME UP-----getting popular again too---Bush is causing everything--he's a substitute teacher at the madrasas and converting "home grown" Brits now.

yep....i just watch howard dean on cnn say that bush and co staged this uk thing to scare us becasue of the lamont win .....and then he says if it were not for bush and co there would be fewer terrorist.....

well duh if they are making them up in the first place then there aren't any .....

 

[dilloduck]

yep....i just watch howard dean on cnn say that bush and co staged this uk thing to scare us becasue of the lamont win .....and then he says if it were not for bush and co there would be fewer terrorist.....

well duh if they are making them up in the first place then there aren't any .....

It's damn near unbelievable that it's coming down to a single issue election AND the issue isn't abortion this time. Bush is making terrorists look at em all!:alco:

 

[Bullypulpit]

If you have proof of that, I'm sure we'd all love to see it. Not what any credible source is saying.

As for the brits using what you call "sneak and peak", I'm sure you can prove that, too? And was that before or after they had probable cause?

The chain of events is becoming clearer. The triggering event was the arrest of two British nationals in Pakistan, reportedly two of the ring leaders, who texted their co-conspirators in England to begin operations. The intercept of this communication by MI-5 was forwarded to British police who acted quickly to roll up an operation they had been observing for some time. At least that's what I've gotten from the reports I've heard on BBC Worldwide. It would seem operations began after British authorities had probable cause.

As I've said elsewhere, good intel and solid police work with, it seems certain, SAS spec ops and police SWAT teams present to tidy up if things got out of hand.

Here's a link to the most recent story at the BBC News website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4783141.stm

 

[sitarro]

Well, you know how it is. The more times he thinks you can post a lie, the more he thinks that makes it true,

I seem to have heard about a similar tactic used elsewhere. Hmmmmmmmm

Are you speaking of the old "gay gene theory'' that has grown from one guy who was trying to find proof of "being born that way" to supposedly thousands of scientist who concure? Fags have done this so well that they now have a whole generation arguing that it's true. Then again I saw my brothers male dog go up to a male friend of ours and try to hump his leg, that's proof that it's natural right Jillian?

 

[sitarro]

The chain of events is becoming clearer. The triggering event was the arrest of two British nationals in Pakistan, reportedly two of the ring leaders, who texted their co-conspirators in England to begin operations. The intercept of this communication by MI-5 was forwarded to British police who acted quickly to roll up an operation they had been observing for some time. At least that's what I've gotten from the reports I've heard on BBC Worldwide. It would seem operations began after British authorities had probable cause.

As I've said elsewhere, good intel and solid police work with, it seems certain, SAS spec ops and police SWAT teams present to tidy up if things got out of hand.

Here's a link to the most recent story at the BBC News website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4783141.stm

That's funny, other sources are poo-pooed but the BBC, now that is an organization we can depend on....HAHAHAHA.....why not Le Monde? Hey they're European and they have simple crappy backdrops and they speak with really cool accents..... they must be superior to Fox News, right?

 

[Hobbit]

Is anyone but me going to point out the last flap about taps was NOT about the international taps, but domestic? State to state, house to house records, just turned over to the gov. without cause. I'm no lib, but I had and do have problem with that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it just the phone numbers people called? If so, that's not private, as you've already shared it with phone company employees. A subpoena is all that's ever been required to obtain those and the phone company is not required to tell you when it happens.

 

[Mr. P]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it just the phone numbers people called? If so, that's not private, as you've already shared it with phone company employees. A subpoena is all that's ever been required to obtain those and the phone company is not required to tell you when it happens.

There was no subpoena as far as I know. I seem to remember reading something that indicated even the legal beagles in the Gov. thought this illegal.

 

[red states rule]

If you have proof of that, I'm sure we'd all love to see it. Not what any credible source is saying.

As for the brits using what you call "sneak and peak", I'm sure you can prove that, too? And was that before or after they had probable cause?

Thwarting the Airline Plot: Inside the Investigation
Exclusive: U.S. picked up the suspects' chatter and shared it with British authorities; new federal alert warns that peroxide-based explosives could also be employed in future attacks in the U.S.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1225453,00.html


Are you going to say TIME is a biased source Jilly?

 

[Little-Acorn]

jillian asked for "proof". rsr provided two sources so far. Now jillian has simply announced that one of them is not credible, and later said they were even "lying".

Come on, jillian. Your turn. Were you about to provide evidence that the source was lying? Or that their statements were not true?

Or were you just going to blurt out unsubstantiated insults and hope somebody believed you?

 

[OCA]

We're at WAR against people who will blow themselves and a plane load of people to smithereens without even the slightest hesitation. Fuck due process. I expect our government and any other government opposed to terrorists to take any and all actions necessary to keep everyone safe from them. If that means monitoring all phone calls or searching all passengers or screening all bank transactions in order to intercept the REALLY important ones (those of the terrorists in case there's any doubt), then I'm all for it. While you're jerking off trying to obtain a warrant, they're in the process of implementing their next plan.

This is absolutely spot on and Missle is usually 6 miles away from correct on most issues.

Fuck process and bureaucracy in dealing with these assholes. In my opinion if you are worried about your shit being tapped then you have a guilty conscience and maybe your shit should be tapped and looked into just because of that. Fucking pc faggots are gonna get us all smoked, while these idiots are before the judge stating their case for a warrant some camel jockey named Ibrahim is planting a dirty bomb underneath the Sears Tower, then laughing his ass off on the plane ride back to Cairo as he reads about us fighting some stupid ass argument over executive overreach on the part of the president.............just then he presses the remote control for the bomb on his cellphone and wipes out Chicago, but hey we will still have the high civil liberty road, right?

Stupid dumbasses, can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[red states rule]

Brits Broke Into Home Of Terrorist

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The Brits know how to deal with terrorists. Perhaps the US should do the same.

The Brits broke into their home, listened to their phone calls, and used "snnek and peek" searches (enter the home and not leave a trace of their visit)

The Brits prevented 10 jest from being tblown out of the sky by using common sense acts to fight these terrorist pigs


http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...p-373185c.html

Deadly ingredients

How Brits uncovered bomb-making material

BY JAMES GORDON MEEK in Washington
and ADAM LISBERG in New York
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

British intelligence agents who secretly broke into the home of a transatlantic bomb plotter discovered chilling samples of the simple materials that could have killed thousands.
The liquid ingredients and the common electronic devices that could have been used as detonators were found about 10 days ago, CBS News reported, proving that the terror cell was close to launching its terrifying plan.

British anti-terror squads broke up the plot in which travelers carrying simple chemicals in ordinary bottles would have combined them and blown them up in midair on as many as 10 flights between Britain and the U.S.

Investigators focused yesterday on two British-born brothers as ringleaders of the plot and their links to Al Qaeda.

British newspapers reported that the airline plotters may also be linked to the homegrown suicide bombers who killed 52 in London last summer - perhaps after getting Al Qaeda training. The Sunday Times of London said two subway bombers visited Pakistan at the same time as some of those arrested last week.

The Times quoted security sources as saying one of the men rounded up was not only the plot's ringleader but Al Qaeda's top honcho in Britain. He was not identified.

"I can't say that Osama Bin Laden was behind it. But we strongly believe this was an Al Qaeda operation," Pakistan Foreign Office spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam told the Daily News from Islamabad.

Pakistani intelligence officials have interrogated Rashid Rauf, 25, who was captured last week near the Afghan border, and believe he was working with Al Qaeda leaders within Afghanistan, Aslam said.

Yet he dismissed as "speculation" reports that Rauf planned the attacks in consultation with Matiur Rehman, a top Al Qaeda mastermind who is one of Pakistan's most wanted men - and has reportedly set his sights on a spectacular attack on America.

Rehman was also a member of Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an Al Qaeda-affiliated militant group operating in Pakistan. That country's Dawn newspaper reported Friday that the group's leader in Baluchistan Province, Usman Kurd, was arrested in June.

Rauf's younger brother, Tayib Rauf, 22, was among 24 suspects arrested in Britain after Rashid was nabbed in Pakistan - as British officials, who had been tracking dozens of potential plotters, moved to stop them from going forward.

The Rauf brothers have at least three other siblings, their great-uncle Qazi Amir Kulzum told Britain's Birmingham Post, all born in Britain after their father Abdul Rauf emigrated decades ago from the Mirpur district of Pakistan.

British police refused to comment on news reports that another brother was also detained. Aslam denied reports in the Pakistani press that last fall's devastating earthquake provided cover for the plotters to move people and money between the two countries in the guise of earthquake relief.

U.S.-led strikes on Afghanistan and Al Qaeda's infrastructure after the 9/11 attacks caused grave damage to the Islamic terror network. With the group and its leader hampered, some experts feared that the next wave of attacks against the West would come from homegrown terrorists inspired by Al Qaeda.

 

[red states rule]

If you have proof of that, I'm sure we'd all love to see it. Not what any credible source is saying.

As for the brits using what you call "sneak and peak", I'm sure you can prove that, too? And was that before or after they had probable cause?

Not only did they listen in on the calls, used snnek and peek, they also bugged thier homes


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/a...ow/1890653.cms
Mi5 found bomb factory, bugged suspects

LONDON: British intelligence service agents secretly infiltrated a bomb factory and found liquid explosives and detonators weeks before they foiled the plot to blow up America-bound passenger jets flying from UK airports, media reported on Sunday.

Covert raids on homes of key terror suspects were also made to plant bugs and gather crucial evidence against them, The Mail on Sunday claimed.

The carefully planned 'sneak and peek' operation involved members of the SAS, or Special Air Service and other surveillance specialists of Mi5. It allowed the Security Service to eavesdrop on the suspected terrorists in the weeks before they were arrested.

The high-risk strategy which allowed the terror plot to almost reach fruition - potentially putting civilian lives at risk - is understood to have been discussed with Prime Minister Tony Blair and by the government's crisis management Cobra Committee, the report said.

A government source told the tabloid that this was just one of a dozen terror plots being investigated by Mi5. But the audacious surveillance exercise - approved by the Home Secretary - allowed Mi5 teams to build up a detailed picture of the group's planning, contacts and, crucially, when they intended to strike.

During months of careful work, the specialists are understood to have managed to get inside the gang's bomb-making factory - giving final confirmation that the plotters were indeed planning mass murder.

Hours of tape recordings, photographs and video are now likely to be used as evidence against the men if they are charged for their part in the alleged plot.

Tiny eavesdropping devices picked up conversations involving various members of the suspected terrorist gang as they put the finishing touches to their plans to blow up a series of commercial flights over the Atlantic.

The Security Service has a licence to 'bug and burgle' but only with the approval of the Home Secretary in order that any evidence obtained can later be used in court.

According to the report, over several months, former Home Secretary Charles Clarke and, more recently, John Reid were given detailed updates on the progress of the investigation to enable them to sign warrants for sophisticated intrusive surveillance against the terrorists.

As Mi5 reveals on its website: "The Services does use intrusive investigative methods, such as eavesdropping in a target's home and vehicle.

"However, our use of such methods is subject to a strict control and oversight regime.

"To install an eavesdropping device in a target's home we need to apply to the Secretary of State for a warrant under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 (RIPA) to authorise the intrusion on the privacy of the target."
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[Mr. P]

According to the report, over several months, former Home Secretary Charles Clarke and, more recently, John Reid were given detailed updates on the progress of the investigation to enable them to sign warrants for sophisticated intrusive surveillance against the terrorists.

Looks like our process. Warrants, legal...etc..

 

[PsuedoGhost]

This is absolutely spot on and Missle is usually 6 miles away from correct on most issues.

Fuck process and bureaucracy in dealing with these assholes. In my opinion if you are worried about your shit being tapped then you have a guilty conscience and maybe your shit should be tapped and looked into just because of that. Fucking pc faggots are gonna get us all smoked, while these idiots are before the judge stating their case for a warrant some camel jockey named Ibrahim is planting a dirty bomb underneath the Sears Tower, then laughing his ass off on the plane ride back to Cairo as he reads about us fighting some stupid ass argument over executive overreach on the part of the president.............just then he presses the remote control for the bomb on his cellphone and wipes out Chicago, but hey we will still have the high civil liberty road, right?

Stupid dumbasses, can't see the forest for the trees.

Again... If we know about this plot so far in advance... Why cant we get warrants? I mean jeesus its not like the burden of proof is terribly high to get a warrant nowadays... They have special courts that can order them on a moment's notice... Either someone is 1 - Lazy, or 2 - Lacks the small, but still significant proof that they should be allowed to spy on someone...

Hmm...