Agree or Disagree?

[BDBoop]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

 

[paulitician]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

Yeah uh huh, our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Yup, you just keep on believing in those fairy tales. Whatever floats yer boat i guess.

 

[paulitician]

Have the usual suspects broke out their old & tired 'Deism' fairy tale yet? If not, stay tuned. It's coming. Our Founding Fathers were Christians. And all of their ancestors who settled America were as well. Our Nation was founded on Christian beliefs. Sorry Atheists and Socialists/Communists, but it is what it is.

 

[blackhawk]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

Yeah uh huh, our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Yup, you just keep on believing in those fairy tales. Whatever floats yer boat i guess.

They may not have all been Christians but they were religious it seems.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20religion%20of%20the%20founding%20fathers&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CHUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adherents.com%2Fgov%2FFounding_Fathers_Religion.html&ei=X0KwT-biDMWC2wWVkJHpCA&usg=AFQjCNF9mWqeHBelZiOsWHm6K5HCMl8pEA

 

[Listening]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

Heaven forbid (oooops...can I say that ?) that you would ever provide support for any of your claims.

There seems to be good arguments that many of them were...and that some of them were not "traditional" christians. If I google athiests and founders or agnostics and founders or muslims and founders.....I get

None of them were atheists, they were however all secualrists (meaning they believed that church and state should be seperate, to each his own.) but the personal beliefs of the founding fathers fell into three religious categories: first, the smallest group, founders who had left their Judeo-Christian heritages and become advocates of the enlightenment religion of nature and reason called "Deism" like Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen who believed in a supreme being who laid the foundations of the universe but doesn't intervene to break its' laws (meaning in the Deist' point of view it is unreasonable to believe in a personal god or believe in the existence of miracles which defy natural laws) The second largest group consisted of the founders who remained practicing Christians. They retained a supernaturalist world view, a belief in the divinity of Jesus Christ, and an adherence to the teachings of their denomination. These founders included Patrick Henry, John Jay, and Samuel Adams. The largest group , consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. Like John Adams, George Washington, James Monroe and Benjamin Franklin.


Read more: Were any of the founding fathers atheists

No muslims from what I can tell.

 

[paulitician]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

Yeah uh huh, our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Yup, you just keep on believing in those fairy tales. Whatever floats yer boat i guess.

They may not have all been Christians but they were religious it seems.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20religion%20of%20the%20founding%20fathers&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CHUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adherents.com%2Fgov%2FFounding_Fathers_Religion.html&ei=X0KwT-biDMWC2wWVkJHpCA&usg=AFQjCNF9mWqeHBelZiOsWHm6K5HCMl8pEA

They were Christians, and their Pilgrim ancestors were too. People who deny our Founding Fathere were Christians are just like the deranged Holocaust-Deniers. They can't be reasoned with. The History of European settlement of the Americas is there in the books for anyone who's interested in learning.

 

[BDBoop]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

Yeah uh huh, our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Yup, you just keep on believing in those fairy tales. Whatever floats yer boat i guess.

They may not have all been Christians but they were religious it seems.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20religion%20of%20the%20founding%20fathers&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CHUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adherents.com%2Fgov%2FFounding_Fathers_Religion.html&ei=X0KwT-biDMWC2wWVkJHpCA&usg=AFQjCNF9mWqeHBelZiOsWHm6K5HCMl8pEA

I love this list of responses.

What religion were the Founding Fathers

 

[BDBoop]

I'll spare you the entire argument. You do not know whereof you speak, and it's not up to me to educate you.

Yeah uh huh, our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Yup, you just keep on believing in those fairy tales. Whatever floats yer boat i guess.

They may not have all been Christians but they were religious it seems.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20religion%20of%20the%20founding%20fathers&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CHUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adherents.com%2Fgov%2FFounding_Fathers_Religion.html&ei=X0KwT-biDMWC2wWVkJHpCA&usg=AFQjCNF9mWqeHBelZiOsWHm6K5HCMl8pEA

All that means is that they were what you see in the list. Like I'd say I'm a Christian. I would say probably CMA (Christian-Missionary Alliance) only because I am being asked to name one. I was last in church Mother's Day, 2011, preceded by the same in 2010.

Affiliation doesn't mean much of anything if it doesn't govern your life. And as history has indicated, this country wasn't founded so we could use religion to beat people about their heads and shoulders til their noses bled.

I do not care if fundamentalist Christians are the majority *they aren't, but I'm making myself clear*. I do not want to see this country doing the Christian version of Sharia law.

 

[paulitician]

Yeah uh huh, our Founding Fathers weren't Christians. Yup, you just keep on believing in those fairy tales. Whatever floats yer boat i guess.

They may not have all been Christians but they were religious it seems.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=the%20religion%20of%20the%20founding%20fathers&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CHUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adherents.com%2Fgov%2FFounding_Fathers_Religion.html&ei=X0KwT-biDMWC2wWVkJHpCA&usg=AFQjCNF9mWqeHBelZiOsWHm6K5HCMl8pEA

All that means is that they were what you see in the list. Like I'd say I'm a Christian. I would say probably CMA (Christian-Missionary Alliance) only because I am being asked to name one. I was last in church Mother's Day, 2011, preceded by the same in 2010.

Affiliation doesn't mean much of anything if it doesn't govern your life. And as history has indicated, this country wasn't founded so we could use religion to beat people about their heads and shoulders til their noses bled.

I do not care if fundamentalist Christians are the majority *they aren't, but I'm making myself clear*. I do not want to see this country doing the Christian version of Sharia law.

Seriously, read a History Book sometime. You clearly have no idea who settled and founded your Nation. You're embarrassing yourself.

 

[JimBowie1958]

'Founded upon' in context of the language at the time was a reference to the idea that the government ruled the people due to God having appointed the king and his rule was justified as 'Divine Right' of kings. The ranking Bishop placing the crown on the kings was symbolic of this annointing by God of the king to rule. The kings claim to rule was only as strong as the legitimacy of the religion of the bishop that crowned him king. So the religion in question was a state religion and to belong to any other was grounds for suspicion of treason and prevented one from serving in the government.

Our government was not founded on Divine right conveyed by a bishops hand. The right of our government to govern comes from the will of the people and their consent for that governance. Our government does not rule us, it SERVES us and the Voice of the People determines the breadth and scope of that governance.

But from the time of its inception til the middle 20th century, we have always acknowledged that God rules and we survive at His pleasure. The Christian philosophers Locke and Adam Smith had much grounding in the precepts and principle of Christian theology and they heavily influenced our Founding Fathers.

So our government was founded on Christian principle as they best understood it, though not formally on the word of a bishop.

But rather on the word of God himself.

I think the majority did, but I dont think all did, like T Paine. But all the Founding Fathers wanted to replace the concept of a King that ruled based on Divine Right with a Republic whose key officers were elected and thus the People of this country chose them instead of God through the agency of a bishop.

Freewill each human born on this planet has.

Are you going Yoda on me, T?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your question is

Is our government founded on the Christian religion?

The key word here is founded. Yes America is founded on the Christian religion. It's a nation that was created by Christians. The very first Congress first action was to appoint a Congressional Chaplain which was of the Christian faith. However founded on is not the same as being one.

 

[Decus]

Your question is poorly phrased but if it is read to understand whether the country was founded on a spiritual and moral foundation as guided by the predominant religious convictions of the colonists, then the answer is an unequivocal – yes.

In addition to the other ambitions the settlers brought to the establishment of Colonial America, a “melting pot” of cults had to be created. The vast majority of the colonists were religious, and there is no credible research which suggests otherwise. The early dominance of the Puritans in New England was quickly challenged with new arrivals and as the colonies expanded. These other “Christian” denominations included Catholics, Protestants, Anglicans, Baptists, Quakers, Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc.... many of whom had been in conflict at one time or another.

There were numerous examples of disagreement and mistrust between the faiths in the years leading up to the Constitution. For example; because of continuing problems between the faiths, Maryland passed an Act in the mid-1600s to try and prevent one denomination from bullying the others. It was called the Maryland Toleration Act. Although this didn't last long, this and other such efforts did set the stage for the First Amendment of the Constitution (the fact that religious tolerance was drafted as the first amendment underlines the importance it held for the “Christian” electorate).

The debate over whether the founders were Christian tends to gloss over the fact that most were Christian or spiritual, believing in one God. Deists like Jefferson didn't believe in the divinity of Jesus but wrote of the importance of the moral teachings represented by Jesus.

For whom was the Constitution written? The answer - the religious majority. Even the most cynical would have to agree, politicians need to play to their constituency. Christianity and morality were the coins of the realm.

I need to get my post count up and if nobody minds, I'll submit this again for consideration.

 

[Two Thumbs]

All the Founders were christians and maybe a jew or Two.

religion was an important part of life for damn near everyone back then.

So yeah, the Constitution is based heavily on faith, tempered by the needs of society and freedom.

 

[Artevelde]

On the whole I would have to say no. The US is not a theocracy and has no established religion.

That being said, it is pretty evident that Christianity played a hugely important role in the founding, development and history of the United States and also in its political development.

 

[Decus]

A theocracy was never contemplated by the founding fathers – unless you stretch that to include the opinion offered by some at the time that Washington should serve as king and not president. Not recognizing a denomination was to keep the peace (see European history if thats not clear), and not to negate the influence of religion. I agree however with the second part of your argument.

 

[nitroz]

It was not founded on the Christian religion, but that doesn't mean a default to no religion.

Why doesn't it? Should we go on which branch has the most people? Which religion? Catholics?

What is the majority?

The default has to be Neutral or no religion, or one religion has to be declared.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

What's odd about the whole treaty of Treaty of Tripoli Arabic version There is no Article 11. The Arabic text which is between Articles 10 and 12 is in form a letter, crudeand flamboyant and withal quite unimportant, from the Dey of Algiers to the Pasha ofTripoli.

The eleventh article of the Barlow translation has no equivalent whatever in the Arabic. The Arabic text opposite that article is a letter from Hassan Pasha of Algiers to Yussuf Pasha of Tripoli. The letter gives notice of the treaty of peace concluded with the Americans and recommends its observation. Three fourths of the letter consists of an introduction, drawn up by a stupid secretary who just knew a certain number of bombastic words and expressions occurring in solemn documents, but entirely failed to catch their real meaning. Here the only thing to be done by a translator is to try to give the reader an impression of the nonsensical original:

Avalon Project - The Barbary Treaties 1786-1816 - Treaty with Tripoli 1796 <BR> The Annotated Translation of 1930


The treaty of Treaty of Tripoli is a contradiction of what the founders had completed a few years earlier.

 

[nitroz]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

First Prayer of the Continental Congress, 1774

Preserve the health of their bodies and vigor of their minds; shower down on them and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seest expedient for them in this world and crown them with everlasting glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior.

First Prayer of the Continental Congress, Office of the Chaplain

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The history of In God we Trust is predated back to 1863

It was found that the Act of Congress dated January 18, 1837, prescribed the mottoes and devices that should be placed upon the coins of the United States. This meant that the mint could make no changes without the enactment of additional legislation by the Congress. In December 1863, the Director of the Mint submitted designs for new one-cent coin, two-cent coin, and three-cent coin to Secretary Chase for approval. He proposed that upon the designs either OUR COUNTRY; OUR GOD or GOD, OUR TRUST should appear as a motto on the coins. In a letter to the Mint Director on December 9, 1863, Secretary Chase stated:
I approve your mottoes, only suggesting that on that with the Washington obverse the motto should begin with the word OUR, so as to read OUR GOD AND OUR COUNTRY. And on that with the shield, it should be changed so as to read: IN GOD WE TRUST.

History of &#39;In God We Trust&#39;