After GOP wins, Ryan puts Medicare in the crosshairs.

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    After GOP wins, Paul Ryan puts Medicare in the crosshairs

    11/11/16 08:00 AM

    Throughout the Obama era, Ryan has pushed a radical budget plan that would effectively eliminate the Medicare system, phasing it out of existence and replacing it with a voucher system. Seniors, under the Speaker’s vision, would stop receiving guaranteed care under a popular and effective government-run program, and would instead receive vouchers that would help pay for coverage through private insurers.

    After GOP wins, Paul Ryan puts Medicare in the crosshairs

    Now Medicare, disabled and seniors who paid in for years. This is like a nightmare, really and this man is a multimillionaire and a RC, hard to believe he is a RC. Whoever voted for this sub human creature are sub human.
     
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    Ryan should resign the speaker-ship. He is your typical elitist corrupt statist politician....but then Washington is full of them.
     
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    Medicare is not sustainable. You want to end up like Greece? Cuba? Venezuela? Soviet Union?

    Medicare must be fixed or eliminated. Its called math. Learn some math, and then figure out Medicare is going broke.
     
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    I believe Ryan's plan is the same as the basis for HMOs. When you sign up, you get an allotment (voucher?) of X dollars held by the insurer. Over the year, if you empty your bucket and still need care, you pay. Your doc also is restricted to keep your care costs within the assigned value, and if he/she signs a referral to another doc, the payment for the specialist comes out of your doc's allowance. So if you need a dermatologist or respiratory doc, your chances of staying within your allotment are pretty slim. Surgery coverage too has to be approved by the insurer, meaning that instead of a government agency running your healthcare, the insurer does it. If you are healthy with minimal needs this is a good deal. But I remember getting a call once from an HMO reminding a doc I worked with that heart transplants are considered experimental and therefor not covered. So if Medicare is more efficiently run than private insurers with much lower operating costs than HMOs that are more concerned with cost maintenance that patient care, what's the beef?
     
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    so cheating old people after they paid into it all their lives is a solution for you?
     
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    People talking, not having a clue what is they are doing.
     
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    Agreed. Some say this is proof of the left's Cloward-Piven strategy.

    At any rate, medical costs have skyrocketed primarily due to government intervention. Has anything gone up as much as healthcare costs?

    Something must be done, but if Rs try to control it the MSM and libs everywhere will condemn it to fear monger the elderly. So...I suspect nothing will be done during Trump's time.

    It should be remembered the Obama and Congress cut Social Security and the MSM and the Left said nothing. Most Americans do not know anything of this cut.
     
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    I am familiar with HMO's. Most people do go to their family dr and get referred to a specialist. An allotment? So lets see in health insurance you can reach the donut hole same as with scripts?

    Pay , most seniors on SS live on a fixed income and can't even afford their meds. Lets not talk about disabled people. And yet a multi millionaire who has gov insurance paid by tax payers taxes get his HI paid for and a Cadillac plan as well.

    Not all of us were born with a silver spoon. Us baby boomers worked our buts off and we were adults at the age of 26, not children. Ryan needs to go.
     
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    That's what the Greeks said. Look where it got them?

    A system that is going to fail, has to be changed. What would you suggest? Just keep kicking the can down the road until we have a default, and the country goes broke? Or are you one of these myth people, that believes the Federal government has Unicorns and Fairies to get money from or something?
     
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    Due to insurances and drug ads on TV, they spend more on ads that they do R & D.
     

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