After all the Guard is just for cowards anyway , right?

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    the guard has changed a lot since Vietnam...by their own admission, they were a dodge to avoid Nam.... I had several acquaintances fromn high school who joined the national guard for the express purpose of avoiding the jungles of southeast asia. Were they cowards? tough question. I would guess that, today, they would say that they had no desire to end their young lives in a war that didn't make any sense.
     
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    Only 7,000 or 8,000 national guard troops were deployed to Vietnam.

    Was as close to a guarantee of not going as one could get. There was a draft then, so the guard wasn't needed.

    Now, how many guardsmen got sent to Iraq again? :shock:
     
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    Actually, 23,000 National Guardsmen were called to active duty and 8,700 actually deployed to VN. The real guarantee of not going was to get a college deferrment.

    You and MM ave now convinced me that anyone who joined the Guard after WW II and up to the mid 70s was a yellow bellied coward...thanks!
     
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    In my post I SAID that's how many went to Vietnam. And a college deferment wasn't a total guarantee..... I worked for someone who's college deferment got pulled by the FBI because of his anti-war activism. He failed the physical, though.

    But you're also changing the subject, because the point was that in the Vietnam Era people jumped through lots of hoops to get into the guard to avoid Nam.
     
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    come on...don't put words in my mouth. :eusa_naughty:

    I didn't say that and you know it.
     
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    From an excerpt adapted from Chapter II of The Air National Guard: A Short History, by Dr. Charles J. Gross, National Guard Bureau Historical Services Division, 1994.

    "Vietnam revealed a negative aspect of relying on reservists. For largely domestic political reasons, President Johnson chose not to mobilize most of the nation's reserve forces. The 1968 callups were only token affairs. Johnson's decision to avoid a major reserve mobilization was opposed by the senior leadership of both the active duty military establishment and the reserve forces, but to no avail. The Reserves and the Guard acquired reputations as draft havens for relatively affluent young white men. Military leaders questioned the wisdom of depending on reserve forces that might not be available except in dire emergencies."

    http://www.ang.af.mil/history/Forging.asp
     
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    Assumption on your part.

    Joining the Guard was no guarantee one wouldn't go to Vietnam. Regardless the number, the fact remains Nat'l Guardsmen served in Vietnam. I grew up in the military during the Vietnam War era and I certainly never heard it labelled such.

    The simplest solution is to expand the regular forces. The Guard serves at a higher percentage now than then because the active duty force is about 1/2 - 2/3s the size it was then.
     
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    Sarcasm....guess you didn't recognize it because you seldom use it yourself.
     

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