Addiction vs Disease, I call bullshit

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    Alcohol and drug addiction has been classified as a "disease" during my lifetime.
    But is it really a "disease"?
    The media tells us it is.
    Most medical people tell us it is.
    But just because they say so, does that really make it so?

    If you have a disease like breast cancer, lymphoma, diabetes, or any other type of physical disease your only realistic options for cure or maintenance is medical treatment. You seek out a medical professionals service for that cure or controlled maintenance.
    Addiction (drugs or alcohol) can be cured/maintained without any medical assistance whatsoever. A 12 step program can handle that for you.
    Can anybody name a 12 step program that cures/maintains any other "disease" aside from addiction? Is there a 12 step program that cures/maintains AIDS, Parkinson's, Leukemia or any other disease (aside from addiction) without using medical assistance?

    And what about smoking? Why isn't nicotine addiction classified as a disease? Why is alcohol or heroin addiction a disease but nicotine addiction isn't?

    Addiction isn't a disease. We are being fed a shit sandwich and I refuse to eat it.
     
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    You have two choices:

    1. Prove that alcoholism is not "a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms"

    or

    2. Change the definition of disease.
     
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    12 step programs are lame. They are designed for weak minded christians that are already predisposed to "giving themselves" over to someone or something else.
     
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    2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 305.1 - Nondependent Tobacco Use Disorder

    2009 ICD-9-CM Diagnosis 305.1

    Nondependent tobacco use disorder

    • Tobacco used to the detriment of a person's health or social functioning. Tobacco dependence is included.
    • 305.1 is a specific code that can be used to specify a diagnosis
    • 305.1 contains 9 index entries
    • View the ICD-9-CM Volume 1 305.* hierarchy
    305.1 also known as:

    • Tobacco dependence
    305.1 excludes:

    • history of tobacco use (V15.82)
    • smoking complicating pregnancy (649.0)
    • tobacco use disorder complicating pregnancy (649.0)
     
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    Depends on which definition of disease you use.

    dis⋅ease
       /dɪˈziz/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [di-zeez] Show IPA noun, verb, -eased, -eas⋅ing.
    –noun
    1. a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.
    2. any abnormal condition in a plant that interferes with its vital physiological processes, caused by pathogenic microorganisms, parasites, unfavorable environmental, genetic, or nutritional factors, etc.
    3. any harmful, depraved, or morbid condition, as of the mind or society: His fascination with executions is a disease.
    4. decomposition of a material under special circumstances: tin disease.

    disease definition | Dictionary.com


    Personally I think it's a 'name change' to illicit a change in how we see addiction. Much like changing illegal alien to undocumented worker. Two different images which changes how we perceive those people/problem.

    Addiction is your problem; disease is looking for a cure.

    As for nicotine . . . why would anyone want to 'cure' someone from smoking? How else are they gonna pay for SCHIP? ;)
     
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    I believe there are studies that show the reaction in the brain that keeps those "addicted", addicted....

    I don't know if they have discovered a man made drug that is less destructive that can substitute this physical need of these illegal drugs...something like the Nicotine patch for cigarette smokers though the patch has been proven to be less affective than some other drug that is usually used for the treatment of depression, that has been shown to help these smokers to quit.

    AA never cures anyone, and they are the first to tell you such....they just produce "recovering Alcoholic" that will never be "recovered" completely, from what I have read on the topic....once an alcoholic, ALWAYS an alcoholic....only a "recovering one" if you have successfully gone through a 12 step program...this still means you are an alcoholic and if you fall off the wagon and have a drink, it will be harder to get back on the abstention again...they have to abstain from having any alcohol at all...this physical need, this medical need to drink till you drop does not go away....starving it, controls it, to a degree.

    So, i guess i am not certain that I agree it is all bulloney Mountain man....
     
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    If you would say that alcoholism is not a disease, then you would have to say that the brain is not an organ of the body.

    In an alcoholic, their brain is not functioning properly to tell them to stop drinking.

    Do you think that waking up covered in your own vomit, and then going for another bottle is NOT the result of a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ?
     
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    It is . . . but it is brought about by one's own actions vs. say breast cancer or lupus. I was being smarmy about nicotine in my other post but if they classify alcoholism as a disease why not nicotine?
     
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    I concur, a disease is something you don't ask for, while an addiction is something we are just stupid enough to fall into (I am addicted to nicotine myself). The word disease was used to make these people feel better about themselves, the unintended consequence is now many states pay for their recovery (well, except for smokers) as well as offer them extra rights (again, except for smokers). I know a lot of junkies from the shelters while I was living there, and most who considered it a disease were unwilling to actually stop, they abused the system. There were a few who didn't sugar coat it but they were either truly recovered (without the programs) or just being honest and not proud of being junkies, nor did they take advantage of the state funded programs.

    The biggest difference between a disease or addiction is that you don't want to keep the disease once you get it, while with addiction many do not want to 'cure' it unless talked into it (or forced by the laws).
     
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    i am a drunk...i am not sure if it is a disease or not....but i never have one drink...luckily for me...i was a functioning drunk....but i rarely drink now....but when i do...i am a drunk
     

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