Actually, we are #1

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    Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One
    Isn't 'responsiveness' what medicine is all about?


    Last August the cover of Time pictured President Obama in white coat and stethoscope. The story opened: "The U.S. spends more to get less [health care] than just about every other industrialized country." This trope has dominated media coverage of health-care reform. Yet a majority of Americans opposes Congress's health-care bills. Why?

    The comparative ranking system that most critics cite comes from the U.N.'s World Health Organization (WHO). The ranking most often quoted is Overall Performance, where the U.S. is rated No. 37. The Overall Performance Index, however, is adjusted to reflect how well WHO officials believe that a country could have done in relation to its resources.[/B]


    The scale is heavily subjective: The WHO believes that we could have done better because we do not have universal coverage. What apparently does not matter is that our population has universal access because most physicians treat indigent patients without charge and accept Medicare and Medicaid payments, which do not even cover overhead expenses. The WHO does rank the U.S. No. 1 of 191 countries for "responsiveness to the needs and choices of the individual patient." Isn't responsiveness what health care is all about?


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    Mark B. Constantian: Where U.S. Health Care Ranks Number One - WSJ.com
     
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    Same article goes on to outline the following very interesting facts:

    Data assembled by Dr. Ronald Wenger and published recently in the Bulletin of the American College of Surgeons indicates that cardiac deaths in the U.S. have fallen by two-thirds over the past 50 years. Polio has been virtually eradicated. Childhood leukemia has a high cure rate. Eight of the top 10 medical advances in the past 20 years were developed or had roots in the U.S.

    The Nobel Prizes in medicine and physiology have been awarded to more Americans than to researchers in all other countries combined. Eight of the 10 top-selling drugs in the world were developed by U.S. companies. The U.S. has some of the highest breast, colon and prostate cancer survival rates in the world. And our country ranks first or second in the world in kidney transplants, liver transplants, heart transplants, total knee replacements, coronary artery bypass, and percutaneous coronary

    We have the shortest waiting time for nonemergency surgery in the world; England has one of the longest. In Canada, a country of 35 million citizens, 1 million patients now wait for surgery and another million wait to see specialists.


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    Does this ranking reflect all those who will wait forever because they can't afford CorporateCare?
     
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    No - read the actual acticle prior to attempting comment.

    America's healthcare system is #1
     
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    AKA Obamacare.
     
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    People asking stupid questions like that obviously failed to even read the article, indicating they know so little on said subject they should just shut up and let the adults talk...
     
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    Well that was stupid.

    Current attempts to reform health care include serious attempts to reduce its cost and to furnish care to those who won't be able to afford it under any circumstances. CorporateCare, by design, rations care by ability to pay.
     
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    I see. You insist on cherry-picking the data to support a misleading assertion. That's unfortunate but not unexpected. The only way CorporateCare can achieve anything but a shameful and embarrassing ranking is with the help of dishonest commentators.
     
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    Oh, spare me. Homeless people get medical care in the US faster than the average citizen of Canada or the UK does, so save your horror stories of poor people dying in the streets.

    I drive a cab to make extra money during the slow seasons in my process serving business. I picked up a homeless man at University Medical Center on New Year's Day. He had been attacked and beaten up the previous evening. The hospital not only did a beautiful job of treating him (his stitches were as nice and neat as they would have given anyone), they also found him new clothes to replace the ones they had to cut off of him, and they let him stay overnight so he'd have a place to sleep, instead of releasing him that night as soon as he was patched up. To top it off, the hospital staff convinced Medicaid to pay for his cab ride back to where he had been picked up (despite the fact that he wasn't on Medicaid when he came in) AND arranged with the city bus system to get him a month-long bus pass so he could get around town.

    So don't talk to me about how only rich people get taken care of in this country, all right?
     
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    Obama and the libs cry wolf about health care

    As a working poor bus driver I found myself looking to social services for help. Both of my children were delivered and top notch care provided for the 1st 5 years of their life(had i needed it). My wife a recent legal immigrant was ineligible for means tested benefits fell through the cracks and was caught by a nice little mediciade safety net provided by the county. This covered her pre natal, both deliveries and any care for 2 months after each birth. During this time I took a DOT phgysical to keep my CDL and job but tested high blood sugar and was told in order to keep my job I would have to see my doctor and stabalize this diabetic condition. With no insurance and looking at least $3000 in consultations and labs I went to the case worker and she told me to sign up for a medicaide spendown. This program evaluates your income and sets a monthly deductible based on you ability to pay. My monthly deductible would have been $800 which was steep for me at the time. The case worker told me to seek help from hospital assistance who picked up the entire deductabel. A year later when I had a cardiac episode while shoveling snow it was the same thing. Several thousand in MRIs, blood tests consutations and stress tests picked up by medicaide with the spendown covered by hospital assistance. For 3 years whil putting my wife through school with a full pell (shes knocking down big bucks now) the delivery and care for my children, myself and my wife was


    FREE!!!


    There is no crisis its a political power grab by the liberal elite in an attempt to further shackle their constituents. Sad really
     
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