Across Europe, Worries on Islam Spread to Center

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    Well now.. here's a dilemna:rolleyes:


    By DAN BILEFSKY and IAN FISHER
    Published: October 11, 2006
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/europe/11muslims.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin
     
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    All our current President's fault of course!
     
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    Everyday I see this at the University of California. Veiled women, eyes averted, simultaneously separating themselves and making a loud visible statement that they are different. Jack Straw is right, the combination is quite unsettling. Beyond the extremism, and the failure of “moderate” Muslims to condemn extremism (where are these people, why are they silent?), it is the second class, subservient role that Islam inflicts upon women that I find most disturbing.
     
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    Hmm sounds like Europe or some in Europe are singing our song now??? Hope it's not too late?
     
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    I'm not convinced. Living in the Netherlands, I find very little evidence of problems with the immigrant community. Most people who end up here from the Middle East do so because they are escaping authoritarian or economic oppression in their countries of birth. The biological imperative teaches us that human beings are very much alike. Cultural differences tend to dissipate when people move into new cultural surroundings. As an American who has lived in Europe for the past 30-some years, I can attest to that fact.

    I agree that there is a general problem with religion as such, particularly when it encompasses conservative values that are hostile to evolutionary theory, political equality, sexual orientation and empowerment of women. On the other hand, there is a natural pressure in European societies, for example, to put such beliefs in perspective. As we can see from groups that represent Muslims in various European countries, the voices are generally moderate and the message is -- as long as every one respects the rule of law -- people can live side by side peaceably despite different cultural or religious beliefs.

    That is the nature of multiculturalism. And so far it has worked quite well.

    I think our NYT report lacks credibility. It is one of those routine reports where the author cites a few elitist views, no scientific studies, and concludes that his or her tiny sampling is somehow indicative of attitudes in general.

    Based on my experience living in Europe, I doubt that the problem is anywhere close to the impression that this article gives.

    There are simply no facts that I know of to support such conclusions.
     
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    I think it is heading into a problem not just in the area of religious zealotry but also in terms of voting populations. It may take a while but the seeds have been planted by Muslims living outside the Middle East who are not content to assimilate into European culture, but rather are doing a slow whittling away inserting themselves not only in a political way, but also in more aggressive ways fueling riots in France for example. Same holds true for us in the U.S. regarding Mexicans and other Illegals. Diseases that have long been stamped out here such as Whooping cough are now resurfacing due to influx, and it's affecting citizens.
     
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    It's why the french Parliament voted a law about the religious symbols, to forbide the veil in the schools, for the republican egality. It has been felt like an agression from State into the religious area, but in fact it was to stop the differences in schools...
    The religious liberty have to been respected, but in the schools, everybody is the same.
    Everybody critisized France when this law has been voted, but now, it seems that in other countries, the veil is in the center of government's aims...
     
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