ACLU vs. USMC

[HGROKIT]

Copy of an e-mail I received from a friend. Damned as I might, I could not get the pic to load. Anyway, it is a pic of a bunch of marines with their heads bowed in prayer as the e-mail suggests. I will try and see if I can find a post to back this up, but in the interim, thought it to be interesting. What I really wanted you all to se is the pic however


Subject: Up set at the Marines...


ACLU Upset At Marines




If you look closely at the picture above, you will note that all the Marines pictured are bowing their heads. That's because they're praying.

This incident took place at a recent ceremony honoring the birthday of the corps, and it has the ACLU up in arms. "These are federal employees," says Lucius Traveler, a spokesman for the ACLU, "on federal property and on federal time. For them to pray is clearly an establishment of religion, and we must nip this in the bud immediately."

When asked about the ACLU's charges, Colonel Jack Fessender, speaking for the Commandant of the Corps said (cleaned up a bit), "Screw the ACLU." GOD Bless Our Warriors, Send the ACLU to France.

Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying to remove GOD from everything and every place in America. May God Bless America, One Nation Under GOD!

 

[HGROKIT]

Found swomething to substantiate the above.

Of late, and upon the inexorable lie that the Constitution’s authors meant to accommodate atheists, the ACLU directed the Marine Corps’ Commandant to “nip this in the bud immediately” after a photo of uniformed Marines bowing their heads in prayer for the president went highly publicized. Anticipate that, as with its gamble on other fronts, the ACLU will petition our courts until they find a judge to force upon officers a different oath -- one that excludes “So help me God” as its salutation. In the end, the ACLU wants the military to mirror popular civilian culture, but devastatingly gone with the UCMJ will be combat cohesion, moral duty and decisive action on the battlefield.

Full story here - http://www.azconservative.org/erickson5.htm

When and where will it end?

 

[dilloduck]

How do people like this get any funding? These fake do gooders need a reduction in pay.

 

[DKSuddeth]

The ACLU doesn't have a chance in hell at this. My entire 6 years in the corps never once was I forced to pray.

 

[Annie]

The story on the marines, first one, is debunked at www.snopes.com The second I am unsure of, though the link is to a conservative organization that makes some 'sweeping generalizations.' With that said...

 

[dilloduck]

Well if it's not substatiated yet, you just gave the ACLU another idea. God how they love to shake the establishment up with thier sanctimonious "protection" of the "little" guy. On the other hand if this is all they can come up with, I guess the real country is in pretty good shape!

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by dilloduck
Well if it's not substatiated yet, you just gave the ACLU another idea. God how they love to shake the establishment up with thier sanctimonious "protection" of the "little" guy. On the other hand if this is all they can come up with, I guess the real country is in pretty good shape!

LOL Hey I'm trying to show DK that if he can go 'Marine' I can also return to my 'roots'. At one time I had an ACLU card. I support most of their convictions, yet when they supported the Nazis in Skokie, as 'right' as that might have been, they lost me.

 

[dilloduck]

Originally posted by Kathianne
LOL Hey I'm trying to show DK that if he can go 'Marine' I can also return to my 'roots'. At one time I had an ACLU card. I support most of their convictions, yet when they supported the Nazis in Skokie, as 'right' as that might have been, they lost me.

ok well I had some minor indigressions in my youth also. I was a member of SOS (save our surf) in Hawaii. We protested and everything!! I'm glad I'm growing up but may feel called back to duty if someone would lead a truth in media campaign.

I'll carry a sign!

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by dilloduck
ok well I had some minor indigressions in my youth also. I was a member of SOS (save our surf) in Hawaii. We protested and everything!! I'm glad I'm growing up but may feel called back to duty if someone would lead a truth in media campaign.

I'll carry a sign!

Ok, we'll march together.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Kathianne
LOL Hey I'm trying to show DK that if he can go 'Marine' I can also return to my 'roots'. At one time I had an ACLU card. I support most of their convictions, yet when they supported the Nazis in Skokie, as 'right' as that might have been, they lost me.

I support the ACLU in alot of their positions as well, but like every major organization, they do have some faults. :

 

[Annie]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
I support the ACLU in alot of their positions as well, but like every major organization, they do have some faults. :

: Back to you!

The ACLU overall is not bad. I just wish they'd remember 'historical' and 'establishment' differences.

 

[5stringJeff]

People have been unsuccessfully fighting against religion in our military for decades. But religious support to soldiers who want (need?) it is just as necessary as proper clothing, food, and shelter.

I know this particular story is a fake, but there are people out there who have voiced complaints about it. Ridiculous, IMO.

 

[HGROKIT]

Originally posted by Kathianne
The story on the marines, first one, is debunked at www.snopes.com The second I am unsure of, though the link is to a conservative organization that makes some 'sweeping generalizations.' With that said...

Kathianne - how can you make such a statement? I went to snopes and could not find a debunking. That being said, the link provided in my second post echoes that of my first, whether the source is conservative or not.

Not that any of it is really a big deal, but my point is how can or why does the ACLU care? It' like everything else; if a Marine is not being forced to pray as a condition of employment, why make a deal of it?

More links:

http://p206.ezboard.com/fallnewsfrm64.showMessage?topicID=33.topic

http://www.myusm.com/usm370085.html

http://www.freewebs.com/thewoodshed/praywiththemarines.htm


I think I'll give this a little credence until I find more. However, it has been said, "A thousand coyotes eating meat can't be wrong".

 

[dmp]

many federal and local governements employ 'chaplians'...Most Chaplians in military service pray in a way which nausiates me - especially when they pray in public.

"OUR Fahhhhhhhhhtha...Po-Leez BLESS us and KNOW we Fight the GOOD fight...' blah blah blah..

There was one chaplian...loved him...

"God we come before you in the name of your son, Jesus Christ. We ask your spirit to guide and protect us' and stuff and junk..

was refreshing.

 

[007]

Originally posted by DKSuddeth
The ACLU doesn't have a chance in hell at this. My entire 6 years in the corps never once was I forced to pray.

I joined the Air Force back in October of '79. When the first Sunday rolled around, we were also given a "CHOICE" as to whether we wanted to go to church or not. Some didn't go. I certainly did. Not only to pray, but to get the hell out of the barracks as well.

 

[HGROKIT]

Originally posted by Pale Rider
I joined the Air Force back in October of '79. When the first Sunday rolled around, we were also given a "CHOICE" as to whether we wanted to go to church or not. Some didn't go. I certainly did. Not only to pray, but to get the hell out of the barracks as well.

Hmmm, I went in '76 - July in San Antonio in the old wood framed barracks with swamp coolers. I made the same "choice".

 

[Captain_Steel]

I hate the ACLU. They have done nothing but hurt Americans' freedoms over the years. People here in California know about Prop 187 in 1994. The prop that would have taken all illegals off of welfare. It isn't easy to get these props on the ballot. The first step is collecting signatures, I'm not sure exactly how many they got but it was close to a million. Then, once on the ballot, the prop has to be voted through. Well, despite having achieved both of these tough steps, the prop was thrown out because the ACLU filed a suit with the 9th circuit court. I really don't know who the hell they are or what purpose they serve all I know is that they are ultra-liberal probably socialist. Anyways, because of a handful of people working in the ACLU and the 9th circuit court, the will of millions of Californias was shafted!! Is that democracy? F@#$ no!! Several million people against just a handful. And minority rules.
The only time I hear anything from them they're trying to take away people's rights...Not protect them...Unless your an illegal alien.
It would seem that the only religion not being assualted by the left is Islam. Isn't that ironic, after 9-11 and all....
If I'm not mistaken I heard that Jon Kerry's wife was a member of the ACLU.
Just a rotten organization all around.

 

[acludem]

The ACLU for over 80 years has worked tirelessly to protect the civil liberties of ALL Americans. From the Scopes Monkey Trial (yep, the ACLU hired Clarence Darrow to defend the teacher) to Brown v. Board of Education (yet again, the ACLU helped to fund the defense team led by Thurgood Marshall) to cases establishing Miranda rights, banning forced prayer in public schools, protecting the rights of students of all faiths to wear religious symbols to school, the ACLU has been on the forefront of protecting our civil liberties. Sure, sometimes the ACLU goes a little overboard, keep in mind not all chapters are alike. This is like saying every Baptist church is the same, or every labor union is the same.

Now more than ever, the ACLU is needed to fight government abuses of the Constitution. The Bush administration is using 9/11 as an excuse to violate the privacy of ordinary law abiding citizens. They want to know what books you check out from the library and buy at stores. They want to know every website you visit, they want to read every e-mail you send and recieve. They want to create a dossier on every American citizen. This should never happen in a free society and the ACLU is doing everything it can to prevent it.

acludem

 

[JIHADTHIS]

Originally posted by acludem
Now more than ever, the ACLU is needed to fight government abuses of the Constitution. The Bush administration is using 9/11 as an excuse to violate the privacy of ordinary law abiding citizens. They want to know what books you check out from the library and buy at stores. They want to know every website you visit, they want to read every e-mail you send and recieve. They want to create a dossier on every American citizen. This should never happen in a free society and the ACLU is doing everything it can to prevent it.

acludem

Your usual alarmist, big brother, they are coming to steal my underwear nonsense............

From the librarians own website:
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/ifissues/usapatriotactlibrary.htm#analysis

Section 215: Access to Records Under Foreign Intelligence Security Act (FISA)
Allows an FBI agent to obtain a search warrant for “any tangible thing,” which can include books, records, papers, floppy disks, data tapes, and computers with hard drives.
Permits the FBI to compel production of library circulation records, Internet use records, and registration information stored in any medium.
Does not require the agent to demonstrate “probable cause,” the existence of specific facts to support the belief that a crime has been committed or that the items sought are evidence of a crime. Instead, the agent only needs to claim that he believes that the records he wants may be related to an ongoing investigation related to terrorism or intelligence activities, a very low legal standard.
Libraries or librarians served with a search warrant issued under FISA rules may not disclose, under of penalty of law, the existence of the warrant or the fact that records were produced as a result of the warrant. A patron cannot be told that his or her records were given to the FBI or that he or she is the subject of an FBI investigation.
Overrides state library confidentiality laws protecting library records.
Codified in law at 50 U.S.C. §1862

I'm pretty sure the jihadists in country are going to the local library under their own names and checking out "Suicide Bombing for Dummies"

 

[musicman]

There are no atheists in foxholes.