ACLU sues for students to wear anti-Islam shirts in Florida schools

[chanel]

That's my point Father Time. The kids aren't being arrested, they are being disciplined by the school. You cannot learn in an environment where anyone can say anything at any time. That's unlimited free speech, and absolute chaos.Schools need to be safe and welcoming and orderly before any learning can take place. Legal standards of speech, dress, smoking, drug enforcement, etc.are different in schools. Children can call each other faggots all night long. They just can't do it during math.

Willow - I apologize for my potty mouth, but those are exact quotes that I have heard in my room just this year. I threw the offenders out and they were disciplined accordingly.Unfortunately, I foresee a day when anything will be deemed acceptable.

 

[JScott]

That's my point Father Time. The kids aren't being arrested, they are being disciplined by the school. You cannot learn in an environment where anyone can say anything at any time. That's unlimited free speech, and absolute chaos.Schools need to be safe and welcoming and orderly before any learning can take place. Legal standards of speech, dress, smoking, drug enforcement, etc.are different in schools. Children can call each other faggots all night long. They just can't do it during math.

Willow - I apologize for my potty mouth, but those are exact quotes that I have heard in my room just this year. I threw the offenders out and they were disciplined accordingly.Unfortunately, I foresee a day when anything will be deemed acceptable.

I hope you are wrong. I would hope that our society would still shun offensive behavior no matter what our social standards are.

 

[chanel]

Society isn't doing such a hot job. And kids spend most of their time in school. It saddens me that principals can no longer enforce discilpine without consulting a lawyer. Apparently only the Supreme Court can determine what is acceptable behavior. Like they don't have anything more important to do than debate a detention,

 

[JScott]

Society isn't doing such a hot job. And kids spend most of their time in school. It saddens me that principals can no longer enforce discilpine without consulting a lawyer. Apparently only the Supreme Court can determine what is acceptable behavior. Like they don't have anything more important to do than debate a detention,

Can principals not expel anymore? Bad behavior is bad behavior. If a child can not behave at school then it is the responsibility of the principal to act. His obligation is to the other children that do behave in the school.

 

[WillowTree]

Neocons do the same thing, bub.

show me sis.

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[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4G9RGxahTM[/ame]

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No chair throwing yet but since guns have become a regular installment lately, it wont be long.

you are aware are you not that MSNBC kept saying the gun toting racists were white and all the while the gun toter was actually a black gentleman? I mock you.. need some chair throwers.

 

[chanel]

Expulsion has been outlawed in NJ. Even rapists and gun toters are "entitled" to an educatiom until the age of 19 or 21 if classified. The most common terms of probation now is to finish high school.

 

[WillowTree]

Neocons do the same thing, bub.

show me sis.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbycSOOOkKY[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4G9RGxahTM[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PeQM8elCDQ[/ame]

No chair throwing yet but since guns have become a regular installment lately, it wont be long.

your very first clip,, note they didn't show hands, arms face? that was a black gentleman with the gun over his shoulder and one at his hip.. did you know that? now you do.. do you ask yourself what could possibly be MSNBCs motive for that bullshit? I bet you don't.

 

[Father Time]

Society isn't doing such a hot job. And kids spend most of their time in school. It saddens me that principals can no longer enforce discilpine without consulting a lawyer.

What a drama queen. If anything the school officials have way too much power, especially with the 0 tolerance crap.

 

[chanel]

Not in NJ. No zero tolerance. No drama queen here. Victim of assault. Ten day suspension for the kid.

But its a very interesting discussion. I would say taking a t-shirt case to the Supreme Court falls into the "overly dramatic "category. Good to see where peoples priorities are.

 

[Father Time]

Not in NJ. No zero tolerance. No drama queen here. Victim of assault. Ten day suspension for the kid.

But its a very interesting discussion. I would say taking a t-shirt case to the Supreme Court falls into the "overly dramatic "category. Good to see where peoples priorities are.

Tinker vs. Des Moines was over solid black armbands in school, no wording on them.

Also they've ruled that a jacket saying 'fuck the draft' was constitutional (although it wasn't worn in a school)

Cohen v. California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Father Time]

I'm surprised everyone's talking about school uniforms here. As for my thoughts they can best be summed up by George Carlin

"Concerning school uniforms, it's not even a new idea. I first saw it in old newsreels fro the 1930's, but it was hard to understand, because the narration was in German! But the uniforms looked beautiful. And the children did everything they were told and never questioned authority."

 

[JScott]

show me sis.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYKQJ4-N7LI[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbycSOOOkKY[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgce06Yw2ro[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4G9RGxahTM[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PeQM8elCDQ[/ame]

No chair throwing yet but since guns have become a regular installment lately, it wont be long.

your very first clip,, note they didn't show hands, arms face? that was a black gentleman with the gun over his shoulder and one at his hip.. did you know that? now you do.. do you ask yourself what could possibly be MSNBCs motive for that bullshit? I bet you don't.

I knew all about that one, bet you didnt know that. Now you do. Wrong clip, he was the second guy to pack while attending a political rally. Heres the trend setter.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUmCj4yud4[/ame]

 

[garyd]

They are anti religion but they are free speech absolutists. Hence they supported the Nazi March through the largely Jewish neigborhood in Skopke not because they were anti Jew (half of them are of Jewish descent) but because they are free speech absolutist accept when it comes to people of religion being in positions of authority within the country then such people have no free speech rights regarding religion.

 

[Father Time]

They are anti religion but they are free speech absolutists. Hence they supported the Nazi March through the largely Jewish neigborhood in Skopke not because they were anti Jew (half of them are of Jewish descent) but because they are free speech absolutist accept when it comes to people of religion being in positions of authority within the country then such people have no free speech rights regarding religion.

Can you give an example of this?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The ACLU is wrong again , Children do not have the same rights as adults and the derogatory message is not appropriate for school hours.
Obviously anti Americanism .

The Alinsky Tactics, Rule by Rule – Rule 4

“The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

 

[Diuretic]

I think you folks should consider yourselves lucky that you have the ACLU.

Put that brick down, I haven't finished yet

The US Supreme Court can't rule on a constitutional issue unless someone brings it before them I assume.

Imagine a country, with, like yours, a written constitution and a high court tasked, among other things, to rule on constitutional interpretation. Now imagine a government intent to quietly dismantling the constitutional protections citizens enjoy. Who is going to stand up and push a case into the US Supreme Court? State governments? Maybe, but what if they stand to benefit from such moves? Corporations? I don't think so, altruism isn't big in business. So it comes down to an organisation like the ACLU in the absence of other organisations. Yes some organisations such as the AFL-CIO might well take a case up but it will not be in the general interest, only the specific interests of the organisation.

Whatever faults it may have the ACLU is at least acting on principle rather than sectional self-interest. And if you don't like the way it does things why not join and change it?

 

[garyd]

There are in fact dozens of such examples FT. While I can't cite cases off the top of my head, There was a school teacher who wasn't allowed to read his Bible silently during recess according to the school board and the ACLU wrote and amicus brief supporting the school board. Put up a creche on public grounds and the ACLU will almost certainly sue the city even if the city merely made the area available to all comers to post whatever message they wished whenever they wished so long as they defaced no one else's message.

 

[Father Time]

The ACLU is wrong again , Children do not have the same rights as adults

Is there anything in the constitution that says this?

 

[politicalpurest]

WOW! You mean the ACLU is anti-religion...never saw that coming.

Or Pro-Freedom of Speech. Which is stifled quite often in religion which causes the two to clash.

An example of Freedom of speech stifled by religion please Robert.

Are you familiar with the Christian Crusades? Are you familiar with the pilgrimage to the "New World" by the pilgrims?

 

[garyd]

Are you familiar with what led to the Crusades, and it wasn't in particular a pilgrimage by the pilgrims to the New World so much as a flight from religious persecution in the Old World. The original pilgrims by the way got along fairly well with the natives in the free world Twas the spanish and the later riff raff that messed up the Indians.