AbuGrab take 2? Will the left persecute Obama like they did Bush?

[Peach]

Yes he is. It's his call for us to be in Afghanistan, we don't need to be, he wants to keep warmongering. What are our goals there anymore besides a bland, generic term of "stability?"


Whenever a civilian dies from the war, whenever a soldier dies in the war, whenever this stuff happens, blame should be appropriately put on the man who isn't getting us out.

Who will cover the backs of the last US troops out?

I don't even know what you're asking. All troops should be pulled out now, and long before now. It's his choice to keep them in the line of fire, even though them being there now has nothing to do with the defense of the this nation.

Is the country stable enough for the LAST TROOPS out to be safe leaving?

 

[Dr.Drock]

Who will cover the backs of the last US troops out?

I don't even know what you're asking. All troops should be pulled out now, and long before now. It's his choice to keep them in the line of fire, even though them being there now has nothing to do with the defense of the this nation.

Is the country stable enough for the LAST TROOPS out to be safe leaving?

No, and it never will be. It's the 3rd poorest 3rd world country on the planet and it's a gov't run by Islam who's leader is in a druglord family. The people don't trust the gov't we've installed for them, that's not going to change anytime soon either.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Que up the excuses from libtards...oh and that includes the obligatory Bush bashing reference. I swear I wish I was as powerful as Bush according to what liberals say, hell even superman would love to have the power to control the weather and other powers.

 

[BlindBoo]

NYT: U.S. Condemns Photos of Soldie

KABUL - Photographs apparently showing United States soldiers posing with body parts of dead insurgents drew strong condemnation on Wednesday from American officials including Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta and the commander of international forces in Afghanistan.

The Los Angeles Times published on the front page of its early editions a photograph of what it described as a soldier from the Army's 82nd Airborne Division with a dead insurgent's hand on his shoulder. It said the photograph was one of 18 of soldiers posing with the corpses of insurgent fighters given to the newspaper by a soldier who served in Afghanistan with the 82nd Airborne's Fourth Brigade Combat Team from Fort Bragg, N.C. The newspaper said the Afghan died planting a bomb, citing police.


My how the tables have turned....

Where is the systemic abuse the was sent down the chain of command like happend in the Bush\torture cases not only at Abu Graib but at detention camps throughout Iraq and afghanistan.

Bush policy 'led to Abu Ghraib'

BBC NEWS | Americas | Bush policy 'led to Abu Ghraib'

Despite warnings from military personnel that the use of these on Guantanamo detainees could backfire, 15 specific techniques were sanctioned by then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on 2 December 2002, the report said.

What followed was "an erosion in standards dictating that detainees be treated humanely", it said.

That these techniques had been endorsed became known by US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, setting the stage for the abuses that took place at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere, it said.

"In my judgment, the report represents a condemnation of both the Bush administration's interrogation policies and of senior administration officials who attempted to shift the blame for abuse - such as that seen at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay and Afghanistan - to low-ranking soldiers," said Senator Carl Levin, the committee chairman.



Fail. Unless you can site a specific policy that led these men to taking pictures with dead assholes.......

 

[BlindBoo]

What I am seeing from the left so far in here is that if the enemy is dead, fuck him.

Sad.

Most of the prisoners at Abu Graib were non combantants.

We're told that these dead fuckers are suicide bombers.

 

[Peach]

Que up the excuses from libtards...oh and that includes the obligatory Bush bashing reference. I swear I wish I was as powerful as Bush according to what liberals say, hell even superman would love to have the power to control the weather and other powers.

I referenced the US invading Iraq, no reason, except Bush, Cheney et. al. WANTED to. Yes, Congress voted for it, after being fed false information. It IS Bush's war.

 

[BlindBoo]

As stupid and tasteless as I find what these soldiers did, only a complete idiot would compare it to "AbuGrab"[sic]. Where's the torture?

Shows you who you're dealing with doesn't it?

But that doesn't matter. It's all about 'Waterloo"!

 

[BlindBoo]

As stupid and tasteless as I find what these soldiers did, only a complete idiot would compare it to "AbuGrab"[sic]. Where's the torture?

This my friends is how Obama escapes accountability.

Deflection.

So Grumpy, what is the comparison? They're both pictures, I'll give you that one.......

 

[BlindBoo]

Anyone remember the 16 dead women and children from way back........last month?

Yeah, my point is valid. The anti war left isn't anti war, they are anti right.

Remembering Haditha too, and countless, senseless killing of innocent civilians as well The leaked helicopter attack and, followed by the same helicopter attacking the first responders too!

The anti-wars are still anti-war. Were some of them simply anti Bush. Sure.....

 

[BlindBoo]

It's no different in the eyes of our enemies.

No it doesn't, and it says a lot about us as people, but Abu Ghraib was all about the questionable
interrogation practices allowed to be implemented (amd encouraged, we found out) by the Bush administration. THAT is why he was in the hot seat when those pictures emerged. How does this set of pictures reflect on Obama... did he require the soldiers to take these pictures in order to get false intelligence out of them like they did at Abu Ghraib? Was this the result of one of his policies? I don't see the connection to Obama that you referred to in the title.

No more than Bush was responsible for the previous incident, heh?
Like it or not, obama is CinC. Ultimate responsibility for the actions of the military lies squarely in his lap. He's the boss. Policies made and policies executed come back to roost in his house. Just like Bush, right?
And if obama is not responsible for establishing proper policies, he's not doing his job...still.

What policy led to these soldier poising with dead Afghans? Is it systemic throughout our military in Afghanistan?

 

[Dr.Drock]

Anyone remember the 16 dead women and children from way back........last month?

Yeah, my point is valid. The anti war left isn't anti war, they are anti right.

Remembering Haditha too, and countless, senseless killing of innocent civilians as well The leaked helicopter attack and, followed by the same helicopter attacking the first responders too!

The anti-wars are still anti-war. Were some of them simply anti Bush. Sure.....

Some? I'd say the overwhelming majority.

Most of the people who pretended to be anti-war cheered Obama for enhancing the warmongering in Afghanistan and randomly spreading it into Libya. Libya being the moral war of course because innocent civilians and children were having their heads blown off by unmanned drones. Also a moral war because we were aiding Al-Qaeda in their overthrow of Qadafi, had we been aiding american soldiers in Libya, that would've been immoral.

 

[Dr.Drock]

No it doesn't, and it says a lot about us as people, but Abu Ghraib was all about the questionable
interrogation practices allowed to be implemented (amd encouraged, we found out) by the Bush administration. THAT is why he was in the hot seat when those pictures emerged. How does this set of pictures reflect on Obama... did he require the soldiers to take these pictures in order to get false intelligence out of them like they did at Abu Ghraib? Was this the result of one of his policies? I don't see the connection to Obama that you referred to in the title.

No more than Bush was responsible for the previous incident, heh?
Like it or not, obama is CinC. Ultimate responsibility for the actions of the military lies squarely in his lap. He's the boss. Policies made and policies executed come back to roost in his house. Just like Bush, right?
And if obama is not responsible for establishing proper policies, he's not doing his job...still.

What policy led to these soldier poising with dead Afghans? Is it systemic throughout our military in Afghanistan?

The policy of having troops in Afghanistan.

 

[BlindBoo]

No more than Bush was responsible for the previous incident, heh?
Like it or not, obama is CinC. Ultimate responsibility for the actions of the military lies squarely in his lap. He's the boss. Policies made and policies executed come back to roost in his house. Just like Bush, right?
And if obama is not responsible for establishing proper policies, he's not doing his job...still.

Asshole. Torture was a Bush policy. Murder of civilians is not a policy of President Obama.

What the hell are all these unmanned drone strikes that liberals love so dearly? Are those fair trials? Do they only kill terrorists?

The best/worst part about the drone strikes nobody talks about is the fact that they target the first responders to the initial strike! Hmm where have I seen that condemned before?

But is dropping bombs from a drone all that different than dropping them from a high altitude bomber?

 

[Dr.Drock]

Asshole. Torture was a Bush policy. Murder of civilians is not a policy of President Obama.

What the hell are all these unmanned drone strikes that liberals love so dearly? Are those fair trials? Do they only kill terrorists?

The best/worst part about the drone strikes nobody talks about is the fact that they target the first responders to the initial strike! Hmm where have I seen that condemned before?

But is dropping bombs from a drone all that different than dropping them from a high altitude bomber?

Nope no different, especially when they're being used in wars we shouldn't be in. Iraq for example, Libya for example.

 

[BlindBoo]

Let's digress.

When a republican holds the reigns. Any activity that doesn't belong on the battlefield is his sole responsibility.

Conversely when a dem holds the power it is imperative to attack those pointing out current depravity.

And you idiots claiming I was looking for the left to defend this activity, well....you hit a 9 on a par 4. I was looking to see if you would hold OBAMA to the same standard as Bush. You see while depravity may have different levels to us the resulting outrage by our enemies will be no different. I remember the mantra like it was yesterday..."we are just creating more terrorists" yet I'm sure they will just look at this as if Mohammed just fucked up so he deserved it right?

Your shallowness and hypocrisy is on display for all to see in this thread.

Abu Graib was not a battlefield.

 

[MikeK]

Obama isn't responsible for this, nor was Bush responsible for Abu Ghraib, except for the US being there in the first place.

Which makes him primarily responsible. And few who understand the process and obligations of military leadership would disagree that the very nature of the Bush administration was reflected in the criminality of the Abu Ghraib atrocities.

Bush WANTED the Iraq war, REMEMBER? This was in Afghanistan from wherein al Qaeda ATTACKED us!

Geography is the very least consideration in assigning blame for the 9/11 attack. Keep in mind that fifteen of the nineteen shahids who carried out that attack were Saudi, as was bin Laden. None were Afghan or Iraqi.

The very fact that Bush has never been prosecuted for his many crimes is evidence that Obama is at best a marginal, self-serving president. That fact, along with his treacherous and counterproductive position on the drug war and his appointment of a wooden indian as Attorney General, are why I will not vote for him in November. His performance thus far clearly indicates the direction he will take in a second term. He will sell this Nation to the banking and finance industries.

 

[MikeK]

Obama isn't responsible for this, nor was Bush responsible for Abu Ghraib, except for the US being there in the first place. Bush WANTED the Iraq war, REMEMBER? This was in Afghanistan from wherein al Qaeda ATTACKED us!

Yes he is. It's his call for us to be in Afghanistan, we don't need to be, he wants to keep warmongering. What are our goals there anymore besides a bland, generic term of "stability?"


Whenever a civilian dies from the war, whenever a soldier dies in the war, whenever this stuff happens, blame should be appropriately put on the man who isn't getting us out.

Who will cover the backs of the last US troops out?

The Afghan Forces would -- under threat of reversal and full-scale retaliation, including low-yield nuclear, if they don't. They, combined with our air support, would provide effective withdrawal escort.

I think the Taliban will be so happy to see us go they probably would carry our luggage.

 

[Dr.Drock]

Yes he is. It's his call for us to be in Afghanistan, we don't need to be, he wants to keep warmongering. What are our goals there anymore besides a bland, generic term of "stability?"


Whenever a civilian dies from the war, whenever a soldier dies in the war, whenever this stuff happens, blame should be appropriately put on the man who isn't getting us out.

Who will cover the backs of the last US troops out?

The Afghan Forces would -- under threat of reversal and full-scale retaliation, including low-yield nuclear, if they don't. They, combined with our air support, would provide effective withdrawal escort.

I think the Taliban will be so happy to see us go they probably would carry our luggage.

The Taliban that we've agreed to give gov't control to? They're already happy.

The people who aren't happy are, well, the people.

 

[bucs90]

They hypocrisy of this thread from the left makes my brain hurt so bad I cant even comment much just yet.

 

[The Infidel]

No it doesn't, and it says a lot about us as people, but Abu Ghraib was all about the questionable
interrogation practices allowed to be implemented (amd encouraged, we found out) by the Bush administration. THAT is why he was in the hot seat when those pictures emerged. How does this set of pictures reflect on Obama... did he require the soldiers to take these pictures in order to get false intelligence out of them like they did at Abu Ghraib? Was this the result of one of his policies? I don't see the connection to Obama that you referred to in the title.

No more than Bush was responsible for the previous incident, heh?
Like it or not, obama is CinC. Ultimate responsibility for the actions of the military lies squarely in his lap. He's the boss. Policies made and policies executed come back to roost in his house. Just like Bush, right?
And if obama is not responsible for establishing proper policies, he's not doing his job...still.

Asshole. Torture was a Bush policy. Murder of civilians is not a policy of President Obama.