Abstinence 'is not realistic,' Palin's daughter says

[Amanda]

It's not Nazi porn. You've stated you're a Christian, which can mean anything. I thought you favored abstinence before marriage. I don't know what your beliefs are.

It's not Nazi porn? Where did it come from? I love Nazi uniforms. I have to admit I have a weakness for anything Hugo Boss, even if a woman is wearing it. You know if we had talked more I would have come out about my lesbian experiences. I'm not going to tell these animals, I'd never hear the end of how chick on chick action is the action, but I would have told you, because I think it would have meant something. I truly wanted a sort of intimacy with you that I thought you would have "got". I don't think I betrayed a trust.

...

I don't favor abstinence before marriage. I favor abstinence for me right now... but I'm re -thinking that. I'm starting to really, really want some cock.

I've stated what I would call glimpses of my belief system more than once. I think God is unconditional love and that the more we can be that way the closer we become to God. I have never stopped loving you.

 

[Sky Dancer]

You wanted to tell me about your lesbians experiences? What stopped you? I thought it was clear after ten or twelve pms that you wanted me to tell my experiences.

The last thing in the world I need is for me as a middle aged woman to be discussing lesbian sex with a teenager--especially one who take private conversations and then makes them everyone else's business on a forum. All some folks here think is that all gays are pedophiles and predators. I'm not. I'm not attracted to women younger than 30 If a woman hasn't even had a saturn return she hasn't cleared out her parental conditioning and found her own self yet. That's my opinion. NO big deal.

Thank you intuition. This is an about face from what you've previously said.

Maybe you're bi, Amanda. I don't know. I considered myself bi at your age.

You're right. There's alot I don't know about you. I'm sorry if I'm overly cautious with young people who have questions. What older lesbians and gay men get when they share information is a judgment that we're recruiting or something.

It's a form of internalized oppression.

I think it's best I take any questions you have publically with the whole world watching, for your protection and mine.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I bet Alaska is just as bad as Kansas was for being a boring place to grow up. But seriously if you're going to do it you both need to be taking measures to prevent pregnancy... unless of course you want to have a baby.

Amanda is that you in your avitar?...if it is,it must kinda hard to talk about abstaining with you.....

 

[Amanda]

You wanted to tell me about your lesbians experiences? What stopped you? I thought it was clear after ten or twelve pms that you wanted me to tell my experiences.

The last thing in the world I need is for me as a middle aged woman to be discussing lesbian sex with a teenager--especially one who take private conversations and then makes them everyone else's business on a forum. All some folks here think is that all gays are pedophiles and predators. I'm not. I'm not attracted to women younger than 30 If a woman hasn't even had a saturn return she hasn't cleared out her parental conditioning and found her own self yet. That's my opinion. NO big deal.

Thank you intuition. This is an about face from what you've previously said.

Maybe you're bi, Amanda. I don't know. I considered myself bi at your age.

I didn't *want* to tell you, I thought you would understand (maybe) and have some insight (hopefully). I thought you might alleviate my guilt. I really, really don't think I'm bi. I think I do stupid things when I drink too much, I think we can both agree on that.

No one knows what of what I've said is a quote or just an offhand example. I stand by what I said tho, I don't think you were fair to me at all and I was done with even trying. I don't think the tactics you used in subsequent PMs were very nice or fair either... but I kept my word and didn't PM you again. We could be having this conversation privately, but you've decided to make it public. Isn't that just as much a violation of trust as you say I've made?

And on the predators/pedophiles thing you know I'm a stand up person. I could have fanned certain fires and I didn't. Why? Because I'm not a bitch.

I would like us to be friends Sky, I've never done anything with the intention to hurt you. I don't know why you think we should be enemies, it's not something I've ever wanted. I've extended you the olive branch more than once and if you'll be my friend I will accept your friendship. I don't hold grudges and I don't want to hurt anyone.

 

[Harry Dresden]

men must take responsiblity for where they spread their sperm....i love how men pretend to be all weak...i couldnt resist blah blah blah.

well......we are....

 

[dilloduck]

You wanted to tell me about your lesbians experiences? What stopped you? I thought it was clear after ten or twelve pms that you wanted me to tell my experiences.

The last thing in the world I need is for me as a middle aged woman to be discussing lesbian sex with a teenager--especially one who take private conversations and then makes them everyone else's business on a forum. All some folks here think is that all gays are pedophiles and predators. I'm not. I'm not attracted to women younger than 30 If a woman hasn't even had a saturn return she hasn't cleared out her parental conditioning and found her own self yet. That's my opinion. NO big deal.

Thank you intuition. This is an about face from what you've previously said.

Maybe you're bi, Amanda. I don't know. I considered myself bi at your age.

I didn't *want* to tell you, I thought you would understand (maybe) and have some insight (hopefully). I thought you might alleviate my guilt. I really, really don't think I'm bi. I think I do stupid things when I drink too much, I think we can both agree on that.

No one knows what of what I've said is a quote or just an offhand example. I stand by what I said tho, I don't think you were fair to me at all and I was done with even trying. I don't think the tactics you used in subsequent PMs were very nice or fair either... but I kept my word and didn't PM you again. We could be having this conversation privately, but you've decided to make it public. Isn't that just as much a violation of trust as you say I've made?

And on the predators/pedophiles thing you know I'm a stand up person. I could have fanned certain fires and I didn't. Why? Because I'm not a bitch.

I would like us to be friends Sky, I've never done anything with the intention to hurt you. I don't know why you think we should be enemies, it's not something I've ever wanted. I've extended you the olive branch more than once and if you'll be my friend I will accept your friendship. I don't hold grudges and I don't want to hurt anyone.

damn---are you always a sappy drunk ?

 

[Amanda]

What I don't see in any of Amanda's photos is a happy face.

Life hasn't been very happy lately. And I look like a complete moron when I smile. I try to shoot for sultry... I don't think I pull it off but I never hear the boys complain.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Ok let's just chalk this up to a rough start and let by gones be by gones. If you want to pm me again sometime with a question, an experience you want to share or anything else I'm happy to answer that.

You may have noticed a few people around here have axes to grind, and used pms to do it.

I'm sorry that I didn't trust where you were coming from. The more you share about yourself, the easier it is to meet you there.

I don't consider us enemies--we just have a generation gap.

 

[dilloduck]

What I don't see in any of Amanda's photos is a happy face.

Life hasn't been very happy lately. And I look like a complete moron when I smile. I try to shoot for sultry... I don't think I pull it off but I never hear the boys complain.

Liar--I bitched once about a grouchy avatar.

 

[Amanda]

You wanted to tell me about your lesbians experiences? What stopped you? I thought it was clear after ten or twelve pms that you wanted me to tell my experiences.

The last thing in the world I need is for me as a middle aged woman to be discussing lesbian sex with a teenager--especially one who take private conversations and then makes them everyone else's business on a forum. All some folks here think is that all gays are pedophiles and predators. I'm not. I'm not attracted to women younger than 30 If a woman hasn't even had a saturn return she hasn't cleared out her parental conditioning and found her own self yet. That's my opinion. NO big deal.

Thank you intuition. This is an about face from what you've previously said.

Maybe you're bi, Amanda. I don't know. I considered myself bi at your age.

I didn't *want* to tell you, I thought you would understand (maybe) and have some insight (hopefully). I thought you might alleviate my guilt. I really, really don't think I'm bi. I think I do stupid things when I drink too much, I think we can both agree on that.

No one knows what of what I've said is a quote or just an offhand example. I stand by what I said tho, I don't think you were fair to me at all and I was done with even trying. I don't think the tactics you used in subsequent PMs were very nice or fair either... but I kept my word and didn't PM you again. We could be having this conversation privately, but you've decided to make it public. Isn't that just as much a violation of trust as you say I've made?

And on the predators/pedophiles thing you know I'm a stand up person. I could have fanned certain fires and I didn't. Why? Because I'm not a bitch.

I would like us to be friends Sky, I've never done anything with the intention to hurt you. I don't know why you think we should be enemies, it's not something I've ever wanted. I've extended you the olive branch more than once and if you'll be my friend I will accept your friendship. I don't hold grudges and I don't want to hurt anyone.

damn---are you always a sappy drunk ?

Yeah, pretty much.

 

[Amanda]

Ok let's just chalk this up to a rough start and let by gones be by gones. If you want to pm me again sometime with a question, an experience you want to share or anything else I'm happy to answer that.

You may have noticed a few people around here have axes to grind, and used pms to do it.

I'm sorry that I didn't trust where you were coming from. The more you share about yourself, the easier it is to meet you there.

I don't consider us enemies--we just have a generation gap.

 

[dilloduck]

I didn't *want* to tell you, I thought you would understand (maybe) and have some insight (hopefully). I thought you might alleviate my guilt. I really, really don't think I'm bi. I think I do stupid things when I drink too much, I think we can both agree on that.

No one knows what of what I've said is a quote or just an offhand example. I stand by what I said tho, I don't think you were fair to me at all and I was done with even trying. I don't think the tactics you used in subsequent PMs were very nice or fair either... but I kept my word and didn't PM you again. We could be having this conversation privately, but you've decided to make it public. Isn't that just as much a violation of trust as you say I've made?

And on the predators/pedophiles thing you know I'm a stand up person. I could have fanned certain fires and I didn't. Why? Because I'm not a bitch.

I would like us to be friends Sky, I've never done anything with the intention to hurt you. I don't know why you think we should be enemies, it's not something I've ever wanted. I've extended you the olive branch more than once and if you'll be my friend I will accept your friendship. I don't hold grudges and I don't want to hurt anyone.

damn---are you always a sappy drunk ?

Yeah, pretty much.

oh yuck----you ain't gonna cry too are ya ?

 

[jillian]

who cares what a 17 year old girl has to say?

humans have been fucking and having kids sine the dawn of time. SO WHAT!

Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own fucking mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market.

Only if you make sure the boys involved get their share of the consequences. That is the primary reason we have abortion, guys that won't man up and take responsibility.

nah...they'd rather punish the harlots.

 

[dilloduck]

who cares what a 17 year old girl has to say?

humans have been fucking and having kids sine the dawn of time. SO WHAT!

Maybe if we let these young adults have to live with the consequences of their actions, you know no free abortions, no safe haven laws, etc.

If you get pregnant, YOU pay for your own fucking mistake. Then I'll bet you teen pregnancy rates will fall faster than the stock market.

Only if you make sure the boys involved get their share of the consequences. That is the primary reason we have abortion, guys that won't man up and take responsibility.

nah...they'd rather punish the harlots.

hey---I 'd take care of a harlot's kid !

 

[Sky Dancer]

What I don't see in any of Amanda's photos is a happy face.

Life hasn't been very happy lately. And I look like a complete moron when I smile. I try to shoot for sultry... I don't think I pull it off but I never hear the boys complain.

I hear you. Life isn't always happy. When I met my wife, (yes, we just got legally married in July just before Prop 8 shut it down) I thought she was the most beautiful woman I'd ever met. I still think of her that way. It was her eyes that drew me in, very clear and mischievous.

She's the naughtiest, funniest, brightest and most talented woman I've met. I'm so lucky she picked me--she picked ME. She knew from the moment we met--I was the one.

I was a bit denser and more damaged. She did a complete background check on me and I passed with flying colors.

We met at a Buddhist meditation retreat. We sat across from each other in the library. She looked up at me and said, "Do I know you?" with this big grin on her face. I looked at her and said, "you look familiar, have we met before?"

She said, yes. I met you at BPD, but you were mighty busy. I was with Dk she said. I said oh yeah--out of context. (BPD was a networking organization for gay and lesbian professional women). I'd noticed her, but I had about three working dramas going on with other women at that meeting.

Then the retreat started, and you don't talk or even look at each other. It's quite a beautiful way to open the heart, you aren't your story, you're just another human being, sitting, walking, eating, praying and resting in silent awareness.

At the end of the retreat she asked me my name and my phone number. Then she did her background check and called me for a date on Valentine's Day. I was socially a busy gal with dates and I put her off for two weeks.

The first date was special, but I had an old girlfriend I had to straighten things out with. The rest unfolded quickly.

I've always been difficult about committment and I really challenged her in the early years. We are very happy with each other and I know I will continue to spend the rest of my life with her.

I enjoy looking at beautiful women as much as the next one--but I've no interest in straying--not even a bit.

This is the most complex interesting woman I've ever met.

 

[Amanda]

damn---are you always a sappy drunk ?

Yeah, pretty much.

oh yuck----you ain't gonna cry too are ya ?

Funny you should ask... I've already been there tonight.

 

[Harry Dresden]

look bottom line,if you want to abstain from sex....just get married....before long....its like the monastery....

 

[Sky Dancer]

Yeah, pretty much.

oh yuck----you ain't gonna cry too are ya ?

Funny you should ask... I've already been there tonight.

Nothing wrong with a good cry. I've had a good one today myself and I wasn't even loaded.

 

[dilloduck]

Yeah, pretty much.

oh yuck----you ain't gonna cry too are ya ?

Funny you should ask... I've already been there tonight.

crap---well I hope you got it all out of your system

 

[Amanda]

What I don't see in any of Amanda's photos is a happy face.

Life hasn't been very happy lately. And I look like a complete moron when I smile. I try to shoot for sultry... I don't think I pull it off but I never hear the boys complain.

I hear you. Life isn't always happy. When I met my wife, (yes, we just got legally married in July just before Prop 8 shut it down) I thought she was the most beautiful woman I'd ever met. I still think of her that way. It was her eyes that drew me in, very clear and mischievous.

She's the naughtiest, funniest, brightest and most talented woman I've met. I'm so lucky she picked me--she picked ME. She knew from the moment we met--I was the one.

I was a bit denser and more damaged. She did a complete background check on me and I passed with flying colors.

We met at a Buddhist meditation retreat. We sat across from each other in the library. She looked up at me and said, "Do I know you?" with this big grin on her face. I looked at her and said, "you look familiar, have we met before?"

She said, yes. I met you at BPD, but you were mighty busy. I was with Dk she said. I said oh yeah--out of context. (BPD was a networking organization for gay and lesbian professional women). I'd noticed her, but I had about three working dramas going on with other women at that meeting.

Then the retreat started, and you don't talk or even look at each other. It's quite a beautiful way to open the heart, you aren't your story, you're just another human being, sitting, walking, eating, praying and resting in silent awareness.

At the end of the retreat she asked me my name and my phone number. Then she did her background check and called me for a date on Valentine's Day. I was socially a busy gal with dates and I put her off for two weeks.

The first date was special, but I had an old girlfriend I had to straighten things out with. The rest unfolded quickly.

I've always been difficult about committment and I really challenged her in the early years. We are very happy with each other and I know I will continue to spend the rest of my life with her.

I enjoy looking at beautiful women as much as the next one--but I've no interest in straying--not even a bit.

This is the most complex interesting woman I've ever met.

That was really beautiful Sky, thank you for sharing with us. Love is the most wonderful thing we can experience, I'm glad you found your 'one'.