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Exactly. It's about bashing the entire religion of Islam, not the deeds of a minority.
Check out the link in the OP. The whole purpose of that website is to discredit the RELIGION of Islam, not the actions of misguided adherents.
1.5 billion strangers is a whole lot of people in the world to hate.
And the misguided adherents? Define them please. Show some of the non misquided Muslim countries please.
That link is fine. It opens up the discussion. I know, the one you don't want to have.
Some past posts of Sunni Man. I note that you did not respond to them and they are all over this forum.
Ropey said:"They" are human beings. They have been with 'us' since the beginning of man. They have their place and it is progression to give them their rightful place.
I believe that their place is beside the rest of the world.
You have stated what your "Permanent Cure" would be and I reiterate Sunni Man.
Removing the world from homosexuality removes the world from people.
Killing homosexuality is killing people.
From this I extend the view that those who want to rid the world of any peoples, are evil minded.
I have the links for what you have said if you want proof of what you have said regarding homosexuality Sunni Man.
They need to be where they should be which is where they have always been. They just need to be validated as any other worthwhile human being.
You seem to lack that inclusion ability Sunni Man.
For Personal or Ideological reasons, or both? Please explain them.
I posted this answer to you long ago. The answer is to accept them and leave them alone. The same answer for the Jews it would seem.
Both are objects of your hate.
Even if you protest you have no hate. Your world would have excised the Jews and Homosexuals (and I bet others too) and remove them from human inclusion.
That's hate at a high level. Even if you do not see it.
Check out the link in the OP. The whole purpose of that website is to discredit the RELIGION of Islam, not the actions of misguided adherents.
1.5 billion strangers is a whole lot of people in the world to hate.
And the misguided adherents? Define them please. Show some of the non misquided Muslim countries please.
That link is fine. It opens up the discussion. I know, the one you don't want to have.
Some past posts of Sunni Man. I note that you did not respond to them and they are all over this forum.
I posted this answer to you long ago. The answer is to accept them and leave them alone. The same answer for the Jews it would seem.
Both are objects of your hate.
Even if you protest you have no hate. Your world would have excised the Jews and Homosexuals (and I bet others too) and remove them from human inclusion.
That's hate at a high level. Even if you do not see it.
You didn't see the post where I said that Sunni Man's solution to Jews was disgusting. I don't agree with his view about Judaism, not do I agree with his views regarding homosexuality either.
That doesn't mean I hate him or I think his views have anything to do with his religion. He's intolerant, but it's not his religion that makes him so.
I do not hate Jews, and I resent you telling me I do. As for hating homsosexuals, I am a lesbian. Stop making assumptions.
[Specifically, it's about baiting Sunni Man and Kalam, so far the only Muslim posters I know of here.?
Exactly. It's about bashing the entire religion of Islam, not the deeds of a minority.
It is about defining what that belief truly is as there are a lot of people saying what it is so let's define what is meant by the words of Islam.
Peace in Islam does not mean Western Peace.
There are more words in Islam that do not fit Western definitions, so we must define Islam in Western terms so we can understand.
What does peace mean to you Sky Dancer? And who decides who is misguided? You?
This Thread is not about Condemning Islam
Exactly. It's about bashing the entire religion of Islam, not the deeds of a minority.
It is about defining what that belief truly is as there are a lot of people saying what it is so let's define what is meant by the words of Islam.
Peace in Islam does not mean Western Peace.
There are more words in Islam that do not fit Western definitions, so we must define Islam in Western terms so we can understand.
What does peace mean to you Sky Dancer? And who decides who is misguided? You?
If you look in the bible you will find violent language. In the past, that language has been used to justify violence. That doesn't mean the religion of Judaism or Christianity is violent because of these passages.
Are there people in the world today committing violent acts and using their religion to justify that? Yes. That's wrong.
I do not support violence, no matter whose religion appears to justify it.
Why aren't you talking to Muslims if you want to understand their scriptures?
I decide as a Buddhist, that the monks in Sri Lanka are misguided. There is NO justification for violence in the Buddha's teachings and I challenge anyone to study Kangyur and Tangyur and see if violence can be found.
Those monks engaged in violence in Sri Lanka are committing grave misdeeds and accumulating negative karma.
What does peace mean to me? It's means coexistence. Acceptance of differences.
You are completely wrong if you intend to start a war of Islam vs everyone else. Genocide in any form is abomination.
Where was the world when the Chinese committed genocide in Tibet?
And the misguided adherents? Define them please. Show some of the non misquided Muslim countries please.
That link is fine. It opens up the discussion. I know, the one you don't want to have.
Some past posts of Sunni Man. I note that you did not respond to them and they are all over this forum.
That's hate at a high level. Even if you do not see it.
You didn't see the post where I said that Sunni Man's solution to Jews was disgusting. I don't agree with his view about Judaism, not do I agree with his views regarding homosexuality either.
That doesn't mean I hate him or I think his views have anything to do with his religion. He's intolerant, but it's not his religion that makes him so.
I do not hate Jews, and I resent you telling me I do. As for hating homsosexuals, I am a lesbian. Stop making assumptions.
[Specifically, it's about baiting Sunni Man and Kalam, so far the only Muslim posters I know of here.?
I didn't say you hated Jews. I said that Sunni Man's views are hate filled and you said that this thread was directed to Sunni Man and Kalam.
It is not. Sunni Man hates more than Jews and clearly he hates. I did not state you. I stated him to you. Chill.
I am saying let's get all these interpretations out on the table and tie those interpretations to acts on the ground.
No hate there. Let's see it all.
It is about defining what that belief truly is as there are a lot of people saying what it is so let's define what is meant by the words of Islam.
Peace in Islam does not mean Western Peace.
There are more words in Islam that do not fit Western definitions, so we must define Islam in Western terms so we can understand.
What does peace mean to you Sky Dancer? And who decides who is misguided? You?
If you look in the bible you will find violent language. In the past, that language has been used to justify violence. That doesn't mean the religion of Judaism or Christianity is violent because of these passages.
Are there people in the world today committing violent acts and using their religion to justify that? Yes. That's wrong.
I do not support violence, no matter whose religion appears to justify it.
Why aren't you talking to Muslims if you want to understand their scriptures?
I decide as a Buddhist, that the monks in Sri Lanka are misguided. There is NO justification for violence in the Buddha's teachings and I challenge anyone to study Kangyur and Tangyur and see if violence can be found.
Those monks engaged in violence in Sri Lanka are committing grave misdeeds and accumulating negative karma.
What does peace mean to me? It's means coexistence. Acceptance of differences.
You are completely wrong if you intend to start a war of Islam vs everyone else. Genocide in any form is abomination.
Where was the world when the Chinese committed genocide in Tibet?
I'll accept Muslims... I only have an issue with those Muslims that seek to impose their faith on others. They can forget that shit. Ain't gonna happen.
It's about stirring up emnity toward Muslims.
This thread is about baiting Muslims, putting them on the defensive to justify their faith.
Stop telling me to chill. This thread is about baiting Muslims, putting them on the defensive to justify their faith.
Kalam and Sunni Man, the only Muslim posters on this forum, have offered alternative interpretations of scripture and Islamophobes and Muslim haters ignore them. I have posted about Sufism, which is Muslim and very peaceful.
My point is that Sunni Man is intolerant, of Jews and homosexuals, but I do not fault the entire religion of Islam as a false path because he's prejudiced.
This Thread is not about Condemning Islam, but, separating the Wheat from the Chaff within it. Let's distinguish between an Individual's Right of Freedom of Religion, and the Will to Impose that Religion on Others through Force.
Bullshit. This thread is a complete condemnation of Muslims all over the world.
In my view, you're wrong.
But I get the message. I'll stop posting my views on this thread.
this thread is not about condemning islam, but, separating the wheat from the chaff within it. Let's distinguish between an individual's right of freedom of religion, and the will to impose that religion on others through force.
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Check out the link in the OP. The whole purpose of that website is to discredit the RELIGION of Islam, not the actions of misguided adherents. The premise of the OP is that the religion of Islam itself is violent. I disagree.
1.5 billion strangers is a whole lot of people in the world to hate.
Any religion that seeks to convert others by force is misguided. Perhaps, we forget other religions throughout history have done this kind of thing.
Does that make the religions themselves invalid? Is. say no. Christianity is not invalid even though it hasn't been 100% peaceful in it's conversions throughout history.
"The process of Christianization has at times been relatively peaceful and at times has been a very violent process, ranging from political conversions to adopt Christianity to military campaigns to force conversion onto native populaces often resulting in massacres and murder."
Christianization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Check out the link in the OP. The whole purpose of that website is to discredit the RELIGION of Islam, not the actions of misguided adherents. The premise of the OP is that the religion of Islam itself is violent. I disagree.
1.5 billion strangers is a whole lot of people in the world to hate.
Any religion that seeks to convert others by force is misguided. Perhaps, we forget other religions throughout history have done this kind of thing.
Does that make the religions themselves invalid? Is. say no. Christianity is not invalid even though it hasn't been 100% peaceful in it's conversions throughout history.
"The process of Christianization has at times been relatively peaceful and at times has been a very violent process, ranging from political conversions to adopt Christianity to military campaigns to force conversion onto native populaces often resulting in massacres and murder."
Christianization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I could only encourage you to go to the root of the teachings, instead of looking at the "sins" of people.
I know you said the RCC and some of its leaders, and others have horribly misrepresented Jesus Christ our Lord. And yes, many have. Many are false prophets. The Bible it says to be careful of "wolves" in sheeps clothing. We also can test the spirits to see if they are from God. Jesus Christ never killed anyone, nor would He tell people to do so.
I know you don't believe, but imagine yourself for a moment that Jesus Christ is Lord and there is a Satan. What do you think one of the best ways for Satan would be to try to keep people away from Jesus? He would deceive, lie, come as an angel of "light", or have his own representatives say they are "Christians", and then like Charlemagne, kill others - falsely in the name of Christianity.
This link may also be helpful in comparing Jesus and Muhammad. Please see the comparisons. Look at the roots of the teachings (Jesus vs Muhammad). Feel free to do the research yourself also on this site. In other words, don't believe me, look at the Bible, vs the Quran.
A Comparison between Jesus and Muhammad | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry
Calling out the truth about what a "doctrine" teaches is not "bashing", it's enlightening. In this case, Islam. I think Buddha would have said that is ok, wouldn't he?
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Calling out the truth about what a "doctrine" teaches is not "bashing", it's enlightening.
The Arabic term "Islam" itself (إسلامis usually translated as "submission"; submission of desires to the will of God. It comes from the term aslama, which means "to surrender" or "resign oneself".[1]
Peace describes a society or a relationship that is operating harmoniously and without violent conflict. Peace is commonly understood as the absence of hostility, or the existence of healthy or newly healed interpersonal or international relationships, safety in matters of social or economic welfare, the acknowledgment of equality, and fairness in political relationships.
I have no problem with the concept of surrender. Ego surrenders to buddha nature in Buddhism. Christians surrender to Jesus.
Muslims surrender to God.
It beats the heck out of surrendering to bigotry.
