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Real Torture
"In a recent raid on an al-Qaeda safe house in Iraq, U.S. military officials recovered an assortment of crude drawings depicting torture methods," TheSmokingGun.com reports. The site reproduces a dozen pages of the illustrations, which depict such methods as "blowtorch to the skin" and "eye removal," and adds:
Along with the images, which you'll find on the following pages, soldiers seized various torture implements, like meat cleavers, whips, and wire cutters. Photos of those items can be seen here. The images, which were just declassified by the Department of Defense, also include a picture of a ramshackle Baghdad safe house described as an "al-Qaeda torture chamber." It was there, during an April 24 raid, that soldiers found a man suspended from the ceiling by a chain. According to the military, he had been abducted from his job and was being beaten daily by his captors. In a raid earlier this week, Coalition Forces freed five Iraqis who were found in a padlocked room in Karmah. The group, which included a boy, were reportedly beaten with chains, cables, and hoses. Photos showing injuries sustained by those captives can be found here.
Blogger Don Surber of the Charleston (W.Va.) Daily Mail examines big-media coverage of the documents:
Where did USA Today play the torture book story?
Not on Page One.
Where did the New York Times play it?
Not on Page One.
Where did the Washington Post play it?
Not on Page One. And yet such false stories as the "flushed Koran" got widespread play in the newspapers and on television.
We are hearing those awful "Sounds of Silence" that Simon and Garfunkel warned us about.
Whether intentional or not, the message is clear: The United States must be above even false reports of torture, while the enemy is allowed to promote eye removal, blowtorching skin and horrors I won't go into.
We also checked the blogs of Andrew Sullivan and Glenn Greenwald, among the most hysterical accusers of America in the "torture" debate, and here is what they have had to say about the al Qaeda documents: .
"Silence is complicity, you know," notes Glenn Reynolds.
Indeed...
Yeah and what have we heard about any of this? Gitmo however garnered how much ink? The media in this country becomes more disgraceful by the day.
Yeah, you would think at least ONE of the mainstream media outlets would've covered this.
It just gets better by the day.
Even more noticeable to me is the overwhelming silence of the prolific liberal membership of USMB. Not one has posted in this thread. I would have at least expected to see a post declaring that such actions (torture) committed by the "insurgents" is "...justified because it's the only weapon they have..."
Very strange, no?
To their credit, CNN and Fox News Channel ran stories on the declassified material.
Care4, as you say the media was all over the 'Geneva Conventions' though in the circumstances they did not apply. Bully and I went on and on about such.
From the Article:
I am glad to see that at least 2 msm outlets reported it! All of them should have, just to be thorough.
Perhaps, Alqaeda torturing and having manuals and tools to torture is not news, it is something WE ALL KNOW occurs with these terrorists, after all they will kill themselves just to kill others, torture is just one of the tactics you would EXPECT them to have after knowing that....imo.
Thus an Alqaeda torture chamber is not major news maybe???
However, Americans Torturing is news, especially when we fostered the creation of the Geneva Convention Treaty, and boasted about it over the years, showing how America is better than our enemies out there....
Abu Ghraib and other incidences of torture or rape or murder by our usa military is news....and of course sadly, it does sell too, which I am certain is why they OVER REPORTED IT. But also reported was the indictments and convictions of our soldiers that did these wrongs too!
Note! I still think the coverage of such mistakes is an attribute to our Freedom and the great country we live in.
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I'm glad you have espoused that philosophy. We don't need to report on AQ torture because it is expected of them. No need to report such things. I guess by extension, we don't need to see images of flag-draped coffins ... such things are expected. Deaths in war are not major news.
And i said:
I am glad to see that at least 2 msm outlets reported it! All of them should have...
I suspect the real reason things like enemy torture chambers are not huge media stories is because such broadcasting might ... just maybe .... provide some positive impetus for continuing military presence in Iraq....however wrong that view might be.
I'm glad you have espoused that philosophy. We don't need to report on AQ torture because it is expected of them. No need to report such things. I guess by extension, we don't need to see images of flag-draped coffins ... such things are expected. Deaths in war are not major news.
I suspect the real reason things like enemy torture chambers are not huge media stories is because such broadcasting might
Even more noticeable to me is the overwhelming silence of the prolific liberal membership of USMB. Not one has posted in this thread. I would have at least expected to see a post declaring that such actions (torture) committed by the "insurgents" is "...justified because it's the only weapon they have..."
Very strange, no?
Yeah and what have we heard about any of this? Gitmo however garnered how much ink? The media in this country becomes more disgraceful by the day.
in my opinion, Al queda, iraqi insurgents, and islamic terrorists, do not follow, nor even know or care about those silly little geneva convention laws.
Furthermore, if torturing all terrorists, saves even one american soldiers live. Im all for it. I support all forms of torture, this isnt patty cake people, this is war.
Secondly, the insurgents of iraq, have no rank, or serial number, and they are not fighting for iraq, meaning for the betterment of iraq, but for their own power, they have no name, rank, and serial number. They are former rapists, and torturers who killed their own countrymen. They deserve no rights in my opinion, not geneva convention or any other.
Im fine with anyone disagreeing, but this is my opinion. We can discuss it though if you like
If you stoop to using their tactics YOU ARE NO BETTER than they are.
But what do you care? You're not there risking your life or limb. You're here, pounding away on your keyboards, day in and day out... just a bunch of chickenhawk scum.
How many americans have to die before your vicarious blood lust will be sated?
If you stoop to using their tactics YOU ARE NO BETTER than they are.
But what do you care? You're not there risking your life or limb. You're here, pounding away on your keyboards, day in and day out... just a bunch of chickenhawk scum.
How many americans have to die before your vicarious blood lust will be sated?
