Abortion's legal...but....

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    They're charging people with murder because this developmentally disabled woman they tortured to death was six months pregnant.

    Wouldn't the pro-abortion people claim that the baby should never have been born, ANYWAY?

    Torture death shocks Ill. town By JIM SUHR, Associated Press Writer
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    ALTON, Ill. - Banished to the basement, the 29-year-old mother with a childlike mind and another baby on the way had little more than a thin rug and a mattress to call her own on the chilly concrete floor.

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    Dorothy Dixon ate what she could forage from the refrigerator upstairs, where prosecutors say housemates used her for target practice with BBs, burned her with a glue gun and doused her with scalding liquid that peeled away her skin.

    They torched what few clothes she had, authorities say, so she walked around naked. They often pummeled her with an aluminum bat or metal handle.

    Dixon — six months pregnant — died after weeks of abuse. Police have charged two adults, three teenagers and a 12-year-old boy with murder in the case that has repulsed many in this Mississippi River town.

    "This is heartbreaking," police Lt. David Hayes said. "It was almost as though they were making fun of the abuse they were administering. This woman was almost like living in a prison."

    Investigators put much of the blame on Michelle Riley, 35, who they said befriended Dixon but pocketed monthly Social Security checks she got because of her developmental delays.

    Dixon saw little, if any, of the money, Hayes said. For months she weathered the torment to keep a roof over her head and that of her year-old son, who weighed just 15 pounds when taken into state custody after his mom's death.

    "I've never seen an almost conspiratorial effort by a group of people to continuously torture someone until she finally died, then not really show any remorse," Hayes said. "It was just a slow, torturous, tragic way to die. I highly doubt Dorothy Dixon even knew she was dying."

    Riley, 43-year-old Judy Woods and three teenagers, including Riley's 15-year-old daughter, LeShelle McBride, are charged with first-degree murder, aggravated and heinous battery, intentional homicide of an unborn child, and unlawful restraint. Riley's 12-year-old son is charged as a juvenile.

    Riley, her daughter, Woods and 16-year-old Benny Wilson have public defenders who did not immediately return messages for comment. An 18-year-old defendant, Michael Elliott, planned to get his own attorney, court records show.

    All remain in jail on $1 million bond.

    Messages left with a Chicago-area sister of Dixon went unreturned, but neighbors, Hayes and newspaper accounts offer a mosaic of the months leading to Dixon's demise inside the small, white, blue-shuttered house.

    Riley and Dixon, police said, had lived in Quincy, a Mississippi River town about 100 miles north of St. Louis, Mo. Quincy is where Riley worked as a coordinator for a regional center that helps the developmentally disabled with housing and other services. Dixon was a client.

    For years, an impoverished Riley struggled raising her children. Her use of methamphetamine and cocaine brought drug convictions in 2002 and 2004. But with treatment and housing help from the Quincy YWCA, Riley put her life in order — so much that in February of last year, the Quincy Herald-Whig did a story on her comeback.

    Last summer, Dixon and Riley moved into the $800-a-month, three-bedroom rental in Alton about 15 miles north of St. Louis. From the start, neighbors Chad Hudson and Terri Brandt considered Riley trouble.

    "Michelle was evil, vindictive. Manipulative," said Hudson, convinced the teenagers were Riley's powerless minions.

    "She was angry, vicious," added Brandt.

    Riley considered Dixon her slave, making her rub Riley's feet until Riley fell asleep and forcing her to run naked around the house when she got in trouble, the neighbors said.

    "Being in their house was like being in a prison day room," Hudson said. "They just sat around the kitchen table and fought."

    There was little question that Riley ruled the roost.

    While doing fix-ups on the home last fall, landlord Steve Atkins saw Riley "barking orders" at the children and everyone else. Atkins joked to her whether he needed to call the Army and see if they wanted their drill sergeant back.

    "She didn't laugh about it at all," Atkins said. "Obviously, I hit a nerve."

    Atkins said Dixon generally kept to herself "but was always nice when she spoke to you." He saw no hints she'd been suffering or tortured.

    "I would have never, ever suspected something like this," he said. "It's definitely shocking."

    Police said Dixon was allowed out of the house but didn't say under what conditions. Hayes didn't know who the father of Dixon's fetus is.

    Hayes said things apparently came to a head Jan. 30, when investigators believe that Woods, during a dispute, beat Dixon on the head with an object Hayes wouldn't identify. The next day Woods found her dead.

    Hayes watched the autopsy and found her injuries disturbing. X-rays revealed roughly 30 BBs lodged in her. Deep-tissue burns covered about one-third of her body — her face, her chest, her arms and feet — and left her severely dehydrated. Her face and body showed signs of prolonged abuse. Many of her wounds were infected.

    None of the injuries, Hayes said, proved singly fatal to Dixon. Her system already was taxed by her unborn baby.

    "The autopsy sort of indicates her immune system just shut down," he said. "It was not capable of fending off any more."

    In the rental home's basement, Atkins said, he found spots of blood in a shower and tiny smears on the concrete floor, washer and dryer.

    "It's disgraceful the way this girl died, as kind and as sweet as this girl was," he said. "She didn't deserve to die the way she did. It's just terrible, senseless. It's just a total shame."
     
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    Allie ... you need to provide a link with the article, and not post the article in entirety in order to comply with copyright laws. Post the first couple of paragraphs, post the link, then put it in quotes. Follow that up with any comment you have.

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    Do you honestly not get the difference between thinking someone should have the OPTION of doing something and thinking that they actually should go and do that thing?

    Do you think Kucinich should be allowed to be president? Do you think he SHOULD be president?

    Get the difference?
     
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    Here's a link Gunny, to the AP story:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7402873
     
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    You are confusing “pro-abortion” with “pro-choice”. I doubt that anyone is pro-abortion. Do people think that all pregnant women should have abortions even if the pregnant woman does not want an abortion? The “pro-choice” people think that the pregnant woman should decide to have the baby or not. If someone kills the fetus and she did not want the fetus to be killed, it is murder. If she does not want to deliver a baby, then it is an abortion.

    I’m curious. Are you pro-life? If so, then do you think that abortion should be outlawed under any an all circumstances. What if she were very ill, raped by her biological brother, and that if she were to try to deliver a live baby, she could die? Include the notion that the baby is severely malformed and will likely die too within a few days. Would you insist that she give birth and pray that she does not die as a result?
     
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    They're charging people with murder because this developmentally disabled woman they tortured to death was six months pregnant.

    Wouldn't the pro-abortion people claim that the baby should never have been born, ANYWAY?


    No because no one is proabortion they are prochoice for one.

    I dont why you think it is so hard to understand that letting the person whos body if effects to make the decision to carry on with a pregnacy or not equates to wanting people to chose abortion OR saying certain people should not have children.

    This woman had the right to deside to have childern or not. She desided to have children. That is just fine with anyone who is prochoice.

    Making up lies about what the other side of the position believes is called building straw man arguements. You cant defend your position against what we really believe so you Pretend that we believe something else that you can defend against.

    It does not bolster your sides position. It shows the weakness of your position.

    The adults should go to prison for life and the children need to undergo extensive mental treatment.
     
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    When does the embryo become a person with a soul? Do we really have souls? Do we go on after our physical life ends or are we Soilent Green?

    If there is no soul,+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Is murder really murder or no different than killing another animal?

    Do we define murder as wrong to protect the sanctity of life or just to keep order?

    The existencs of a God does not guarantee an afterlife.:eusa_think:
     
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    Those are some of the mysteries of the universe that people have debated about since the days of Plato and Aristotle. I like to try to keep things simple. For that sake, I think that life begins at conception. Half of the genes belong to the father. Therefore it is not totally the woman’s body that we are talking about. Yet, we do not live in a perfect world. It might be different if rapes never occur, couples accept responsibilities for the activities that they engage in, and every being from zygote to fetus develops properly, and no woman ever becomes seriously ill when pregnant. Unfortunately, such is not the case. Therefore, even though I think that abortion is murder, it should be allowed in some (rare) circumstances.
     
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    If you believe that you can charge someone with double murder for murdering a woman who is pregnant (ala Lacy Peterson), then the child in the womb has rights and you're fully acknowledging that the child in the womb is a full life, then the logical conclusion is that the child in the womb should be given it's rights and privileges even in regards to abortion.

    To believe that abortion is acceptable, you must believe that the child in the womb does not have the full rights of a human being. Charging a double murder is acknowledging the rights of the unborn.

    Whether the child in the womb has a "soul" or not is completely irrelevant. Our society has concluded that the child in the womb has rights, and those rights should extend to protection in the womb.
     
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    I understand your point. I understand that the rules that we have are not logical. Let me ask you this though:

    Do you think that abortion should be outlawed under any an all circumstances. What if she were very ill, raped by her biological brother, and that if she were to try to deliver a live baby, she could die? Include the notion that the baby is severely malformed and will likely die too within a few days. Would you insist that she give birth and pray that she does not die as a result?
     

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