CDZ Abortion

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    If they only decided cases based on the law you would be right but since politics comes into it morality is there too.

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    I still do not see this (our current) Court. . . upholding our Fetal Homicide laws for purely political or moralistic reasons. . . or even from a combination of the two.

    I believe that they agree that there is more merit to the arguments in favor of those (our fetal homicide) laws than only that.
     
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    I believe they want to ensure those who assault pregnant women get a harsher punishment than they otherwise might. And that is fine by me since I'd guess in the vast majority of cases the pregnant women values what she is carrying and that loss should require extra consideration. Doesn't mean she is necessarily carrying a human life but it does have great value to her.
     
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    Had there been any merit to the denial of the fact that a human being in the fetal stage of their life is "a human being" - the SCOTUS could have struck down the fetal homicide law entirely. OR, they could have struck down the portion related to the charge of murder.

    In other words, had the SCOTUS agreed with you, they could have sent a clear message that the charge of murder takes it too far. Even as they might support tougher laws against any crimes that would result in the death of a human 'fetus.'

    But they didn't.

    They opted to leave the language completely intact.

    Murder charges and all.
     
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    Sure, but finding that a fetus is a person would require congress to pass a "finding of fact." Good luck with that!
     
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    Says who?

    Remember, we already have laws that say the criminal killing of a child in the womb is an act of MURDER.
     
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    And when does the fetus become a child in these laws?
     
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    The Federal Fetal Homicide law says that they are a child in ANY stage of development while in the womb.
     
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    Couldn't find it.
     
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    It's us code 1841. I can't link to it right now.
     

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