Abortion results in ptsd, and is worse for those with a history of trauma.

[Sunshine]

First, I believe abortion is wrong. Abortion is not a choice I could have made for myself. But I am not willing to take any children saved from such a fate, by legal or other means, and raise them. Therefore, I do not feel that I have the right to force another woman to make the same decision I would have made. Moreover, if a woman wants her baby dead before its birth, she will not want it dead any less after its birth, evidenced by the number of garbage dump and toilet bowl babies that are found in this country each year. It is not right to force a child to be raised or tortured by a woman who wanted him/her dead all along.

The women always handled these matters. It never became an issue until men involved themselves in the woman's work of birthing babies. If they are going to continue to keep up this vocalization and even make laws forcing this issue, then they had better have the homes there for these children before they start or be ready to make a daily sweep of toilet bowls and dumpsters.

 

[Ravi]

Of course I have.
Multiple ones. Read the conclusions. You're taking the "suggestions" prior to the conclusion, which addresses those suggestions.

Really, what is your education level? Do you not understand how to interpret scholarly articles?

Presently the weight of evidence suggests that abortion does not cause lasting negative consequences

There's your conclusion. Are you lying or suffering from dementia?

 

[del]

Of course I have.
Multiple ones. Read the conclusions. You're taking the "suggestions" prior to the conclusion, which addresses those suggestions.

Really, what is your education level? Do you not understand how to interpret scholarly articles?

Presently the weight of evidence suggests that abortion does not cause lasting negative consequences

There's your conclusion. Are you lying or suffering from dementia?

yes

 

[rdean]

Unwanted children develop into "child abuse" "murder" and "prison".

 

[Katzndogz]

Unwanted children develop into "child abuse" "murder" and "prison".

Fallacy.

It assumes that unwanted children remain unwanted. Some do, some desperately wanted children are abused and end up in prison. Some initially unwanted children are later loved and valued, some are adopted into loving homes where they are valued.

 

[Sunshine]

Unwanted children develop into "child abuse" "murder" and "prison".

That is not true. Most children of my day were not wanted, and they went on to become productive citizens, and/or fight our country's wars.

 

[del]

Unwanted children develop into "child abuse" "murder" and "prison".

That is not true. Most children of my day were not wanted, and they went on to become productive citizens, and/or fight our country's wars.

you're projecting again

 

[Sunshine]

Unwanted children develop into "child abuse" "murder" and "prison".

That is not true. Most children of my day were not wanted, and they went on to become productive citizens, and/or fight our country's wars.

you're projecting again

Nope. I lived in my day and I was about 13 when birth control hit the market. I know how the parents of my generation felt about us. I mean, get real they inflicted Captain Kangaroo and the Vietnam war on us. Nothing clearer than that.

 

[Sunshine]

Our SCOTUS has come about as close is it is humanly possible with their 'viable fetus' theory as it relates to abortion.

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul

Genesis 2:7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Man(kind) becomes a living soul when he takes a breath. That is the embodiment of the viable fetus theory, even though it is not stated in so many words. Until we have more knowledge than we have now, that's pretty good, IMO.

 

[Katzndogz]

I am also from "that day". The concept of unwanted children as we know it today wasn't a concept then. Since there was little choice, except to know someone, who knew someone, who had a cousin, that knew someone that would provide some backdoor abortion, babies were considered a surprise. Those were the days when families were quite large too. Families that had four or five children were surprised a lot.

Abortion is declining among young people. After seeing some interviews with young adults the primary reason for the decline is that they feel personally deprived by their mother's decision to abort a sibling.

 

[Sunshine]

I am also from "that day". The concept of unwanted children as we know it today wasn't a concept then. Since there was little choice, except to know someone, who knew someone, who had a cousin, that knew someone that would provide some backdoor abortion, babies were considered a surprise. Those were the days when families were quite large too. Families that had four or five children were surprised a lot.

Abortion is declining among young people. After seeing some interviews with young adults the primary reason for the decline is that they feel personally deprived by their mother's decision to abort a sibling.

The fact that people of bygone days accepted something as a fact of life does not mean they actually wanted that. Families got markedly smaller when birth control hit the market in the early 60s. Child abuse is not a new concept. It did not start in this millennium.

 

[Sunshine]

Pro abortionists contend that abortion PREVENTS ptsd caused by the birth of horrible killer babies who apparently are the result of rape and must be killed for the sanity of the mother.

When I heard them spout that, I of course assumed the exact opposite must be true, so I looked it up.

Amazing what a little research will show you:

"

Posttraumatic stress reactions were found to be associated with abortion. Consistent with previous research, the data here suggest abortion can increase stress and decrease coping abilities, particularly​

for those women who have a history of adverse childhood events and prior traumata."

Go figure.

http://www.vozvictimas.org/pdf/documentos/rue2004.pdf

Two or three cases do not constitute a global trend.

 

[Katzndogz]

I am also from "that day". The concept of unwanted children as we know it today wasn't a concept then. Since there was little choice, except to know someone, who knew someone, who had a cousin, that knew someone that would provide some backdoor abortion, babies were considered a surprise. Those were the days when families were quite large too. Families that had four or five children were surprised a lot.

Abortion is declining among young people. After seeing some interviews with young adults the primary reason for the decline is that they feel personally deprived by their mother's decision to abort a sibling.

The fact that people of bygone days accepted something as a fact of life does not mean they actually wanted that. Families got markedly smaller when birth control hit the market in the early 60s. Child abuse is not a new concept. It did not start in this millennium.

No it doesn't mean they wanted it. They accepted it and were happy with it. If they weren't happy, they became happy, or at least content because there weren't a lot of options. Child abuse isn't a new concept but child abuse on the level that we have it today at this level isn't something we had before.

You have conclusions, but you are not making the correct connections to support those concusions. Families got smaller because women were making decisions on what to do with their lives other than have children. This decision was helped to fruition by birth control. Child abuse today is the huge problem that it is, not because babies are forced onto unwilling families, but because of a growth in selfishness. The need for parents to "find themselves" at the expense of their families and the widespread use of drugs.

Susan Smith had two beautiful children that she loved and wanted. Right up to the point where her selfishness and need to "be happy" made them inconvenient and she drowned them. Ditto on Casey Anthony. Who knows whether John Walker Lindh would have become a terrorist if his father had taken him to a baseball game instead of "finding himself" by coming home wearing a dress and telling the family he was leaving them for a man?

These aren't simple problems with simple solutions. They are complex and involve many many other considerations.

 

[Sunshine]

I am also from "that day". The concept of unwanted children as we know it today wasn't a concept then. Since there was little choice, except to know someone, who knew someone, who had a cousin, that knew someone that would provide some backdoor abortion, babies were considered a surprise. Those were the days when families were quite large too. Families that had four or five children were surprised a lot.

Abortion is declining among young people. After seeing some interviews with young adults the primary reason for the decline is that they feel personally deprived by their mother's decision to abort a sibling.

The fact that people of bygone days accepted something as a fact of life does not mean they actually wanted that. Families got markedly smaller when birth control hit the market in the early 60s. Child abuse is not a new concept. It did not start in this millennium.

No it doesn't mean they wanted it. They accepted it and were happy with it. If they weren't happy, they became happy, or at least content because there weren't a lot of options. Child abuse isn't a new concept but child abuse on the level that we have it today at this level isn't something we had before.

You have conclusions, but you are not making the correct connections to support those concusions. Families got smaller because women were making decisions on what to do with their lives other than have children. This decision was helped to fruition by birth control. Child abuse today is the huge problem that it is, not because babies are forced onto unwilling families, but because of a growth in selfishness. The need for parents to "find themselves" at the expense of their families and the widespread use of drugs.

Susan Smith had two beautiful children that she loved and wanted. Right up to the point where her selfishness and need to "be happy" made them inconvenient and she drowned them. Ditto on Casey Anthony. Who knows whether John Walker Lindh would have become a terrorist if his father had taken him to a baseball game instead of "finding himself" by coming home wearing a dress and telling the family he was leaving them for a man?

These aren't simple problems with simple solutions. They are complex and involve many many other considerations.

If you believe child abuse was not as bad as it is today, then you do not work in the same field I work in. I have had patients my age who were whipped with horse whips. You have no clue what you are talking about. People have always killed their children. There just wasn't an internet to advertise it on.

Historically and cross-culturally, the murder of children has taken many forms. Anthropological studies of traditional societies, such as the Yanomamo of South America, and sociological studies of some advanced civilizations indicate the practice of infanticide (the killing of children under the age of five), past and present. Female infanticide has been discovered among some traditional patriarchal groups such as the Chinese. Often the murder of children has been noted for humanitarian reasons, such as because of overpopulation or an inadequate food supply. Similarly, poor and low-income families have killed their children when they have been unable to support them. Some societies have promoted the killing of children born with birth defects, mental challenges, or a serious disease or disorder. In certain societies, children who were believed to be tainted by evil (e.g., twins) were slain at birth. Among the ancient Greeks and Romans, a father could dispose of his child as he saw fit.



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Children, Murder of - world, body, life, history, cause, rate, time, person, human, Factors in the Murder of Children, Familial Homicides, Suggestions for Prevention

You are basing your thinking on wanting to believe that people made themselves happy with the children they got, but anthropological studies prove you wrong.

 

[chikenwing]

Have anyone here met and talked with an abortion survivor?? I have it was a profound experience,at the same time I had a chance to talked to a nurse that used to help provide abortions, until she could no longer do t,she helped a person survive an attempt on their life through an abortion attempt. And walked away. Gripping to say the least!

 

[Sunshine]

Have anyone here met and talked with an abortion survivor?? I have it was a profound experience,at the same time I had a chance to talked to a nurse that used to help provide abortions, until she could no longer do t,she helped a person survive an attempt on their life through an abortion attempt. And walked away. Gripping to say the least!

Yes, I have. And I have worked with people who were incested, raped, abused, and with the products of those acts as well.

Abortions happen. No one can force a nurse to participate in something she finds morally repugnant, unless she has already put herself in as a participant to a particular procedure, and then to walk away from that procedure and refuse to assist is patient abandonment. It can cost a nurse her license. I always told my students, 'if you don't want to assist in abortions, don't work where abortions are done.' That's an easy choice for a nurse. Some simply don't get that until they get involved in something they disagree with. Then they play the victim.

 

[chikenwing]

Have anyone here met and talked with an abortion survivor?? I have it was a profound experience,at the same time I had a chance to talked to a nurse that used to help provide abortions, until she could no longer do t,she helped a person survive an attempt on their life through an abortion attempt. And walked away. Gripping to say the least!

Yes, I have. And I have worked with people who were incested, raped, abused, and with the products of those acts as well.

Abortions happen. No one can force a nurse to participate in something she finds morally repugnant, unless she has already put herself in as a participant to a particular procedure, and then to walk away from that procedure and refuse to assist is patient abandonment. It can cost a nurse her license. I always told my students, 'if you don't want to assist in abortions, don't work where abortions are done.' That's an easy choice for a nurse. Some simply don't get that until they get involved in something they disagree with. Then they play the victim.

Ok really nice job the problem is she never said she was a victim nether of them did,what they did say about victims you know the children killed,they are the victims.

The nurse after time came to the relational as to what she was really doing and had to stop. She pulled a still alive baby out of the trash and save its life,now think about that and your casual abortions happen stance. we are killing PEOPLE for convince if thats not morally repugnant then waht is??

 

[Sunshine]

Have anyone here met and talked with an abortion survivor?? I have it was a profound experience,at the same time I had a chance to talked to a nurse that used to help provide abortions, until she could no longer do t,she helped a person survive an attempt on their life through an abortion attempt. And walked away. Gripping to say the least!

Yes, I have. And I have worked with people who were incested, raped, abused, and with the products of those acts as well.

Abortions happen. No one can force a nurse to participate in something she finds morally repugnant, unless she has already put herself in as a participant to a particular procedure, and then to walk away from that procedure and refuse to assist is patient abandonment. It can cost a nurse her license. I always told my students, 'if you don't want to assist in abortions, don't work where abortions are done.' That's an easy choice for a nurse. Some simply don't get that until they get involved in something they disagree with. Then they play the victim.

Ok really nice job the problem is she never said she was a victim nether of them did,what they did say about victims you know the children killed,they are the victims.

The nurse after time came to the relational as to what she was really doing and had to stop. She pulled a still alive baby out of the trash and save its life,now think about that and your casual abortions happen stance. we are killing PEOPLE for convince if thats not morally repugnant then waht is??

According to Planned Parenthood v Casey, a human is NOT being killed unless it is capable of surviving on its own outside the womb. This one clearly was not.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The fact that people of bygone days accepted something as a fact of life does not mean they actually wanted that. Families got markedly smaller when birth control hit the market in the early 60s. Child abuse is not a new concept. It did not start in this millennium.

Correct.

No it doesn't mean they wanted it. They accepted it and were happy with it. If they weren't happy, they became happy, or at least content because there weren't a lot of options.

And?

You can’t force society back to an unrealistic, idealized American past that never existed in the first place.

Child abuse isn't a new concept but child abuse on the level that we have it today at this level isn't something we had before.

Again, you weren’t aware of it in the past – there’s been no ‘increase’ in child abuse, there’s been an increase of its coverage by the media.

Child abuse today is the huge problem that it is, not because babies are forced onto unwilling families, but because of a growth in selfishness. The need for parents to "find themselves" at the expense of their families and the widespread use of drugs.

Nonsense, there is no evidence of this whatsoever, this is subjective, contrived social conservative dogma, again, predicated on an idealized American past that never existed.

 

[koshergrl]

Lol..prove the increase in child abuse, which oddly coincides with the advent of legalized abortion, is because of increased reporting.

What a joke.