Abolish Welfare......Except For The Truly Needy

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    ABOLISH WELFARE
    EXCEPT FOR THE DISABLED WHO CAN'T WORK

    By: Gordon Bishop


    Let’s call it "The Jesus Doctrine."

    Jesus told his followers to become self-reliant, self-sufficient.

    Jesus wanted his followers to be able to feed themselves and not depend on him to miraculously produce the fish for their survival.

    Jesus taught his followers how to fish – and they became self-sufficient once they learned how to catch fish for themselves.

    Jesus, as the New Testament tell us, took care of the needy, those incapable of fending for themselves. That’s the Judeo-Christian ethic: Help those who can’t help themselves, like the blind, the physically disabled, or mentally incapacitated.

    Jesus never envisioned for humankind a massive government "Welfare State" where working taxpayers would subsidize those who did not work.

    Along came Karl Marx in the 1900s and undid some 2,000 years of self-reliance for the able-bodied population. Marx offered the world a different agenda for the human race: Redistribution of wealth.

    Immediately, Marx created two classes of human beings: The workers and those capable of working but preferring to live off the largess of others.

    Human societies were never the same again.

    What Marx did was to create a whole population that became dependent on centralized governments to take care of them the rest of their lives.




    Today, America is a Marxist "Welfare State" with millions of able-bodied citizens getting paid not to work.

    Centralized government, especially in the USA, finally saw the folly of Marxist social welfare programs and decided to do something about it. That "something" was called "Welfare Reform" – or the spending of billions of dollars to transition the nonworkers into productive workers.

    The biggest problem remains: Those healthy, able-bodied still on welfare because they have so many illegitimate children they can’t work.

    Now we have an illegitimate society of children born out of wedlock, primarily in Urban America, where three out of four babies have no legitimate fathers to work and take care of them. It’s up to centralized government (that’s the taxpayers) to take care of them.

    The irresponsibility of these so-called "mothers" and "fathers" is just the opposite of Jesus’ teachings some 2,000 years ago.

    Some fiscal reformers have proposed sterilizing females who have more than three illegitimate offspring.

    "Can’t do that," according to the hard-left American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), itself a by-product of Marxism.

    Why not?

    Because these baby-producing females also have their "rights," although what they’re doing is damaging themselves, their children, and society.

    The solution to all of this is education, just like Jesus did at the dawn of Christianity. Teaching the lost souls the fundamentals of self-sufficiency.

    That’s difficult to do in a Marxist or socialist society, where redistribution of income is the great leveler. We’re all equal. We all make the same amount of money, whether some people work eight hours a day, or 18 hours a day. It doesn’t matter.

    Marxist equality for all. The start of societal self-destruction.

    As long as the Marxist socialist politicians and their socialist governments prevail, there will never be true welfare reform. The lazy, the indifferent, the ignorant will continue to take advantage of the flawed "Marxist economic system" that has taken over America, the Peoples Republic of China, Cuba, and even the old Soviet Union that collapsed several years ago following President Reagan’s victory over an "evil empire" that slaughtered tens of millions of its own citizens.

    America needs another generation of "founding fathers" (who created this great Constitutional Republic over 200 years ago) to undo the damage done by more than 75 years of Marxist socialism in America, beginning with President Franklin Roosevelt’s "New Deal."

    As our founders would say, "God Bless America." (Jesus would like that.)



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    I like my idea of welfare reform. 6 months, and you're off. Period. If you have kids WHILE you're on welfare, you're off. Period.

    During this 6 month period, you're required to search for a job. You're also required to take any job offered to you. If you refuse, you're off. Period.

    There's much more detail involved, but that's the gist of it. :)
     
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    I think that plan sounds very reasonable! Probably the only good thing Clinton did as President was welfare reform, even though he was strong armed into, and it doesn't nearly go far enough, it's a start.
     
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    I can see where we can't *totally* abolish welfare, because some good, hardworking people *do* lose their jobs for reasons beyond their control. They'll need *some* help. But it's the "others" that ruin it for everyone else.

    I also don't think welfare recipients should be handed cash, or checks in *any* form whatsoever. Bills should be paid right to the utility companies, and landlords.. Foodstamps should cease to exist - you should have a plastic card, with a certain alottment on it, which is only good in *grocery* stores (the one closest to your house, in particular), and should only be good on certain items (one doesn't *need* soda and potato chips on welfare - one DOES need cereal, eggs, milk, etc.). No change back from any remaining amount.

    There's so much we could be doing to cut down on abuse.. Instead, we're just handing cash over, and funding their gambling sessions. :(
     
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    Actually, similar things like that are in effect in Ontario. No foods stamps, only vouchers used at certain stores, no cash, limits on products ect. Direct payment for rent and bills is optional, and required under certain progams like diability and geared to income housing. I agree with time limits, but I also think short term social progams are so unsuccessful because they don't recognize the fact that people who have been living off the system for so long, often lack basic life skills. Those things have to be learned along with operating a cash register.
     
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    I see your point, however sometimes the best learning about life you can do is adapt to the here and now quickly.
    It's a shame that it has come to this in the first place. Our socialisitic government programs have created the very thing the creators claimed would not happen.....A whole group of dependent people and their offspring.
     
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    Here, at one point, they had "classes", or meetings that recipients had to attend before being eligible for benefits, and while receiving them..It was a 6 week course, which met something like 3x a week, I think.. (I can't find the articles on it anymore) They showed you how to handle a job interview, how to *look* for a job, how to fill out a standard application, as well as a few other things..(lose the baggy pants, tie your shoes, shower, shave..) For some reason, I'm thinking those are no longer in place. :( Sounds like Canada's actually on the right track - maybe there's a lesson we could take from them for once... Our program sure as hell needs help. Not to mention, it needs welfare workers that actually give a shit - right now, there are NONE.

    Not to be stereotypical, but our welfare workers are *mostly* large, angry black women who used to be on welfare themselves, and fully believe they shouldn't have to work for their money. The world is against them *because* they're large, angry black women. They're most often found sitting behind 2" thick glass drinking soda, and talking to friends.
     
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    Workfare progams are much more successful than re-education programs simply because you get on the job experience, and guidence while on the job, that's describes what I'm getting at a little better.
     
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    Makes sense because it's more immediate. What kind of work programs are in place where you are?
     
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    That's more or less what I mean, or go directly to a job placement and be at the mercey of your supervisor. :D

    I work for community social program, and they like to start working with kids, but unfortunatly they wind up with kids, and their babies. It's an amazingly successful program, but they realize it takes time to get people out of the system for good. I work at the last stage, when the women actually go to work at their placements. In six years, I only know of one that went back on welfare.
     

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