CDZ Abolish the Police?

[Vastator]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

I agree to an extent. There is no need for every law officer to be toting a gun. We have a second amendment. And as such it is encumber of free men to take the primary role in their own protection, and defense. The overwhelming majority of day, to day legal administration doesn’t require the use of arms. If the situation escalates to where that becomes a necessity; then the ante can be upped, and armed LEOs can be summoned.
However the sad truth is that the majority of Americans are timid, and cowardly. And as such would rather bear the yoke of a veritable police state coupled with an offer of protection; rather than confront the risks actual freedom poses. Happiness in slavery...

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I ran with the law(not from) in the seventies. Many, many quit and got a real life as policies changed........quotas, irrational weed policy and other such corporate Nazi BS.
A couple opened up gun shops and one dude started a trophy company. A state buddy started an extermination service, another became a Striper guide at Smith Mountain. Yet another became a window/door installation contractor in NC.
They lost all respect for the "profession".
In came shaved heads and steroid junkies.
Many of the pricks today are order following ex military meatheads with zero ability to do anything else, much less think rationally.

A real cop asks questions and shoots later
Today's cops shoot first and ask questions later
As we enter the age of the POLICE STATE, all we need are JBTs.

 

[Crepitus]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

Make them defenseless against armed thugs, eh? Cops are getting shot dead in their squad cars as it is.

Gee, maybe there are too many guns out there, huh?

Or perhaps just not enough and certainly not the gun training we once had that taught people respect and responsibility.

Not enough? It you were just lamenting their helplessness before all the "armed thugs".

That sounds like too many guns.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

The latest call to action from some criminal-justice activists: “Abolish the police.” From the streets of Chicago to the city council of Seattle, and in the pages of academic journals ranging from the Cardozo Law Review to the Harvard Law Review and of mainstream publications from the Boston Review to Rolling Stone, advocates and activists are building a case not just to reform policing—viewed as an oppressive, violent, and racist institution—but to do away with it altogether. When I first heard this slogan, I assumed that it was a figure of speech, used to legitimize more expansive criminal-justice reform. But after reading the academic and activist literature, I realized that “abolish the police” is a concrete policy goal. The abolitionists want to dismantle municipal police departments and see “police officers disappearing from the streets.”

One might dismiss such proclamations as part of a fringe movement, but advocates of these radical views are gaining political momentum in numerous cities. In Seattle, socialist city council candidate Shaun Scott, who ran on a “police abolition” platform, came within 1,386 votes of winning elected office. During his campaign, he argued that the city must “[disinvest] from the police state” and “build towards a world where nobody is criminalized for being poor.” At a debate hosted by the Seattle Police Officers Guild, Scott blasted “so-called officers” for their “deep and entrenched institutional ties to racism” that produced an “apparatus of overaggressive and racist policing that has emerged to steer many black and brown bodies back into, in essence, a form of slavery.” Another Seattle police abolitionist, Kirsten Harris-Talley, served briefly in as an appointed city councilwoman. Both Scott and Harris-Talley enjoy broad support from the city’s progressive establishment.

What would abolishing police mean as a practical policy matter? Nothing very practical. In The Nation, Mychal Denzel Smith argues that police should be replaced by “full social, economic, and political equality.” Harris-Talley, meantime, has traced policing’s origins back to slavery. “How do you reform an institution that from its inception was made to control, maim, condemn, and kill people?” she asks. “Reform it back to what?” If cities can eliminate poverty through affordable housing and “investing in community,” she believes, the police will become unnecessary. Others argue that cities must simply “help people resolve conflicts through peace circles and restorative justice programs.”

Abolish the Police?

Me: absolute idiocy. Anarchy. Sure, racism still exists, not as bad as it once did but it's still a problem. And it exists everywhere, not just in the police force. And we should be doing a better job of rooting it out and firing those who cannot perform their duty in an impartial manner. Or, in some cases indict and convict them if the evidence warrants. For too many, they face little or no repercussions and that's ain't right.

But hell's bells guys, you don't abolish the police altogether, you do what needs to be done to make our institutions function more properly and honorably.

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

Make them defenseless against armed thugs, eh? Cops are getting shot dead in their squad cars as it is.

Gee, maybe there are too many guns out there, huh?

Or perhaps just not enough and certainly not the gun training we once had that taught people respect and responsibility.

Not enough? It you were just lamenting their helplessness before all the "armed thugs".

That sounds like too many guns.

And what, exactly, is the right number of guns?

 

[Crepitus]

Don't abolish them, take away their lethal force, except for a select few.

Make them defenseless against armed thugs, eh? Cops are getting shot dead in their squad cars as it is.

Gee, maybe there are too many guns out there, huh?

Or perhaps just not enough and certainly not the gun training we once had that taught people respect and responsibility.

Not enough? It you were just lamenting their helplessness before all the "armed thugs".

That sounds like too many guns.

And what, exactly, is the right number of guns?

Somewhere between less than we have now and not quite enough.

 

[Polishprince]

End the failed social experiment of Prohibtion regarding the war on drugs.
.

Legalizing drugs will actually mean more police action. The plan is to legalize grass, but to implement heavy duty taxation on it. Enforcing these taxes and regulations would mean an army of regulators as well as detectives to hunt down smugglers of untaxed grass, counterfeit tax stamps, etc.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

End the failed social experiment of Prohibtion regarding the war on drugs.
.

Legalizing drugs will actually mean more police action. The plan is to legalize grass, but to implement heavy duty taxation on it. Enforcing these taxes and regulations would mean an army of regulators as well as detectives to hunt down smugglers of untaxed grass, counterfeit tax stamps, etc.

At least there will be extra tax money to help pay for those regulators and detectives.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Muhammed]

I ran with the law(not from) in the seventies. Many, many quit and got a real life as policies changed........quotas, irrational weed policy and other such corporate Nazi BS.
A couple opened up gun shops and one dude started a trophy company. A state buddy started an extermination service, another became a Striper guide at Smith Mountain. Yet another became a window/door installation contractor in NC.
They lost all respect for the "profession".
In came shaved heads and steroid junkies.
Many of the pricks today are order following ex military meatheads with zero ability to do anything else, much less think rationally.

I agree with you on a lot of that. And I have known a lot of cops in my lifetime. Family and close friends.

To the bold: Even though I would never use anabolic steroids personally because I know how bad they can fuck up your body (side effects), when I was in high school I used to deal loads of blue hearts and pink pentagons (Metandienone aka dianabol aka D-bol) to my teammates on the football team, along with injectable steroids and HgH and other performance enhancing pharmaceuticals.

After high school I would sell them at local gyms. And many of my best and most reliable customers were cops. That was decades ago and it's become a much greater problem since then.

There is a huge anabolic steroid abuse problem among the police departments in the USA. Some might say, "hey it's their body, they can put anything they want into it" or some other cop out. But anyone who denies that the general rise in police brutality has nothing to do with roid rage is just plain ignorant.

If you see a bald cop (one of the side effects is hair loss) with unnaturally big muscles acting very aggressively for no apparent reason (another side effect aka roid rage) he is likely a steroid junkie.

Combine 'roid rage with war combat PTSD and what do you expect to happen?