ABC,CBS,NBC,etc. do not produce "fake news".... what they do is present...

[healthmyths]

"biased" news. And this is what most Americans now think of when it comes to the MSM.
Biased news.
Now most of you biased MSM defenders say well what about Fox? Yes the present a "biased" news also.
But instead of "biased" left or Democrat or progressive, Fox presents BALANCED news that just appears
because it is "balanced" biased!

So rather then let the FACTS speak for themselves, i.e. the MSM does not produce fake news but biased news, I will open this dialogue with intelligent open minded people and prove me wrong, i.e. that the MSM present the news in a biased left leaning democrat favoring manner.

To set the tone for this I ask you open minded people (of which there are truly a small number for sure)
to honestly assess the perceptions of Americans when it comes to the MSM.
According to Gallup, only 32% of Americans still believe the lies, half-truths, and shameless propaganda being offered by the old media:
Now mind you this is saying only 32% of Americans think the MSM is to be believed.

It's not that the MSM is producing "fake news"... again... it is HOW they present it is a biased fashion.
Let's look at the latest example of how the MSM biases the news...

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer came under fire Tuesday after saying that Adolf Hitler “didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons” against his own people like Syrian strongman Bashar Al-Assad. Spicer, speaking from the White House podium at the daily press briefing, said that Hitler, whom he called “despicable,” did not use “the gas on his own people the same way Assad used them.”
Now, if you parse Spicer’s statement carefully enough, there’s both a strictly literally defensible position and a grain of general truth there.
It’s true that chemical weapons were banned by common agreement after World War I. It’s true that the combatants in World War II, Nazi Germany included, generally adhered to that ban.
It’s true that large-scale chemical attacks on civilian targets have been been deployed freely by the Assad regime, in ways that have no direct parallel even in the cornucopia of atrocities that was the Second World War in Europe.
Spicer, after several botched efforts to clean up this wholly unnecessary rhetorical mess (some of which came off as if Spicer was suggesting that German Jews were not Hitler’s “own people”), apologized.
Sean Spicer Steps in a Hitler Mess

But what did the MSM ABC,CBS,NBC lead with their MAIN story on Tuesday 4/11/17?
In spite of more dramatic events that occurred they all led off their newscast like this:
WHY was this a "firestorm"???? Why did these MSM people insist Spicer needed to resign?
Again.... read the above closer and you will see why most of us don't believe the MSM!

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

 

[ScienceRocks]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Several surveys have said that FOX only gets it right 60 percent of the time.

As far as what do I consider reliable news? Well, there is a new news channel out there and they air on HBO (yeah, I know, pay cable, but what ya gonna do). It's called VICE News, and they air every night at 6:30 CST on HBO, M through Thurs, with a VICE in depth special on 2 subjects on Fridays. I like them because it's just the facts, and there appears to be zero bias in their reporting.

Same reason I trust BBC news. Their reporters throw little to zero of their own opinion in the story.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Several surveys have said that FOX only gets it right 60 percent of the time.

As far as what do I consider reliable news? Well, there is a new news channel out there and they air on HBO (yeah, I know, pay cable, but what ya gonna do). It's called VICE News, and they air every night at 6:30 CST on HBO, M through Thurs, with a VICE in depth special on 2 subjects on Fridays. I like them because it's just the facts, and there appears to be zero bias in their reporting.

Same reason I trust BBC news. Their reporters throw little to zero of their own opinion in the story.

The surveys use loaded questions.


And I am with the OP when I think of fake news I think of the tabloids, the main stream media does not intentionally do fake news it's biased, it only tells us half the story sometimes and leaves out key facts that would go against their narrative.


It's up to the public to research more what you read or heard and don't take them for their word.


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[Norman]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

This is what you call balanced?

A special kind of a moron... CNN even referred Clinton as their candidate on their election coverage.

 

[Dragonlady]

Several surveys have said that FOX only gets it right 60 percent of the time.

As far as what do I consider reliable news? Well, there is a new news channel out there and they air on HBO (yeah, I know, pay cable, but what ya gonna do). It's called VICE News, and they air every night at 6:30 CST on HBO, M through Thurs, with a VICE in depth special on 2 subjects on Fridays. I like them because it's just the facts, and there appears to be zero bias in their reporting.

Same reason I trust BBC news. Their reporters throw little to zero of their own opinion in the story.

In addition to the BBC, I also like CBC News and Global (Cdn Network). I have an online subscription to the Washington Post, but read articles from MacLeans, the Economist and Forbes as well.

 

[WillowTree]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

Could you post an example of Fox fake news?

 

[Tresha91203]

Several surveys have said that FOX only gets it right 60 percent of the time.

As far as what do I consider reliable news? Well, there is a new news channel out there and they air on HBO (yeah, I know, pay cable, but what ya gonna do). It's called VICE News, and they air every night at 6:30 CST on HBO, M through Thurs, with a VICE in depth special on 2 subjects on Fridays. I like them because it's just the facts, and there appears to be zero bias in their reporting.

Same reason I trust BBC news. Their reporters throw little to zero of their own opinion in the story.

The surveys use loaded questions.


And I am with the OP when I think of fake news I think of the tabloids, the main stream media does not intentionally do fake news it's biased, it only tells us half the story sometimes and leaves out key facts that would go against their narrative.


It's up to the public to research more what you read or heard and don't take them for their word.


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That is intentional misleading of the citizenry. Its propaganda, which makes it fake ... on purpose.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

Could you post an example of Fox fake news?

I can give you two examples, and both CNN as well as FOX made the same mistake both times.

First one was when the SC ruled that the ACA was constitutional. FOX and CNN only read the first page and thought that the SC had ruled against it. MSNBC was the only channel at the time that bothered to read the whole thing, and shortly after CNN and FOX said it was struck down, MSNBC reported that it had been upheld.

Second example is when the Boston Marathon bombers were being chased. Again, both CNN and FOX reported that it was done by Muslim terrorists and that they had been captured and killed, when in fact they weren't caught for another day.

 

[WEATHER53]

So called fake news is really emotionally driven innuendo incorrectly presented as fact
Very difficult nowadays to get the under 40 crowd to recognize that feelings are Not facts

 

[longknife]

I had to take my wife to the emergency room at the military hospital at the Air Force base the other day. While waiting to be seen, I was forced to watch MSNBC. I've never seen any reporting to damned skewed to the left as much as that. I wanted to give up my lunch.

 

[WillowTree]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

Could you post an example of Fox fake news?

I can give you two examples, and both CNN as well as FOX made the same mistake both times.

First one was when the SC ruled that the ACA was constitutional. FOX and CNN only read the first page and thought that the SC had ruled against it. MSNBC was the only channel at the time that bothered to read the whole thing, and shortly after CNN and FOX said it was struck down, MSNBC reported that it had been upheld.

Second example is when the Boston Marathon bombers were being chased. Again, both CNN and FOX reported that it was done by Muslim terrorists and that they had been captured and killed, when in fact they weren't caught for another day.

So, you called these mistakes rather than fake news! Fake news is a mistake?

 

[WaitingFor2020]

"biased" news. And this is what most Americans now think of when it comes to the MSM.
Biased news.
Now most of you biased MSM defenders say well what about Fox? Yes the present a "biased" news also.
But instead of "biased" left or Democrat or progressive, Fox presents BALANCED news that just appears
because it is "balanced" biased!

So rather then let the FACTS speak for themselves, i.e. the MSM does not produce fake news but biased news, I will open this dialogue with intelligent open minded people and prove me wrong, i.e. that the MSM present the news in a biased left leaning democrat favoring manner.

To set the tone for this I ask you open minded people (of which there are truly a small number for sure)
to honestly assess the perceptions of Americans when it comes to the MSM.
According to Gallup, only 32% of Americans still believe the lies, half-truths, and shameless propaganda being offered by the old media:
Now mind you this is saying only 32% of Americans think the MSM is to be believed.

It's not that the MSM is producing "fake news"... again... it is HOW they present it is a biased fashion.
Let's look at the latest example of how the MSM biases the news...

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer came under fire Tuesday after saying that Adolf Hitler “didn’t even sink to using chemical weapons” against his own people like Syrian strongman Bashar Al-Assad. Spicer, speaking from the White House podium at the daily press briefing, said that Hitler, whom he called “despicable,” did not use “the gas on his own people the same way Assad used them.”
Now, if you parse Spicer’s statement carefully enough, there’s both a strictly literally defensible position and a grain of general truth there.
It’s true that chemical weapons were banned by common agreement after World War I. It’s true that the combatants in World War II, Nazi Germany included, generally adhered to that ban.
It’s true that large-scale chemical attacks on civilian targets have been been deployed freely by the Assad regime, in ways that have no direct parallel even in the cornucopia of atrocities that was the Second World War in Europe.
Spicer, after several botched efforts to clean up this wholly unnecessary rhetorical mess (some of which came off as if Spicer was suggesting that German Jews were not Hitler’s “own people”), apologized.
Sean Spicer Steps in a Hitler Mess

But what did the MSM ABC,CBS,NBC lead with their MAIN story on Tuesday 4/11/17?
In spite of more dramatic events that occurred they all led off their newscast like this:
WHY was this a "firestorm"???? Why did these MSM people insist Spicer needed to resign?
Again.... read the above closer and you will see why most of us don't believe the MSM!


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Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

ABC, NBC and CBS are network channels and are held to a higher bar in FCC regulations. Cable news channels are held to looser rules and can get away with a lot of punditry, as we can plainly see. If this weren't so, Brian Williams would not have been demoted and then allowed to come back, but only on MSNBC.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

Could you post an example of Fox fake news?

I can give you two examples, and both CNN as well as FOX made the same mistake both times.

First one was when the SC ruled that the ACA was constitutional. FOX and CNN only read the first page and thought that the SC had ruled against it. MSNBC was the only channel at the time that bothered to read the whole thing, and shortly after CNN and FOX said it was struck down, MSNBC reported that it had been upheld.

Second example is when the Boston Marathon bombers were being chased. Again, both CNN and FOX reported that it was done by Muslim terrorists and that they had been captured and killed, when in fact they weren't caught for another day.

That was unintentional, trying to break the story first...

.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

Could you post an example of Fox fake news?

I can give you two examples, and both CNN as well as FOX made the same mistake both times.

First one was when the SC ruled that the ACA was constitutional. FOX and CNN only read the first page and thought that the SC had ruled against it. MSNBC was the only channel at the time that bothered to read the whole thing, and shortly after CNN and FOX said it was struck down, MSNBC reported that it had been upheld.

Second example is when the Boston Marathon bombers were being chased. Again, both CNN and FOX reported that it was done by Muslim terrorists and that they had been captured and killed, when in fact they weren't caught for another day.

So, you called these mistakes rather than fake news! Fake news is a mistake?

Make enough of those kind of mistakes, and people will start to consider your news agency to be unreliable, or "fake".

 

[ABikerSailor]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

Could you post an example of Fox fake news?

I can give you two examples, and both CNN as well as FOX made the same mistake both times.

First one was when the SC ruled that the ACA was constitutional. FOX and CNN only read the first page and thought that the SC had ruled against it. MSNBC was the only channel at the time that bothered to read the whole thing, and shortly after CNN and FOX said it was struck down, MSNBC reported that it had been upheld.

Second example is when the Boston Marathon bombers were being chased. Again, both CNN and FOX reported that it was done by Muslim terrorists and that they had been captured and killed, when in fact they weren't caught for another day.

That was unintentional, trying to break the story first...

.

I'd rather get the story slow and accurate rather than first and wrong.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Lol, fox news produces fake crap...

Cnn, Abc, cbs and nbc produce real news that promotes reality...Something liberterians hate.

This is what you call balanced?

A special kind of a moron... CNN even referred Clinton as their candidate on their election coverage.

What don't you post a link to that, then?
Again, cable channels are held to different FCC rules than networks. And websites can say anything they want with practically 100% impunity, especially if they have editorial contributors as third party to their site. They waive all responsibility, if you read the fine print.

 

[Theowl32]

More to the point is they all have an agenda. That is the key.

What those pathetic robotic blobs on the left don't get about "Fox News" is they don't share in this socialist agenda. They try and present both sides.

Fox News have a lot of piles of left wing shit who are regular contributors. From Geraldo to Juan Williams to Bob Beckel etc etc.

They often give the piles of shit on the left the last word. They virtually always allow both sides to present a pov.

The other networks combined hardly have any opinions contrary to their COLLECTIVE agenda.

You could not name 4 conservative voices on those networks combined. They never give the right "the final word."

It is about their agenda and it ought to be clear what that agenda is.

 

[WaitingFor2020]

So called fake news is really emotionally driven innuendo incorrectly presented as fact
Very difficult nowadays to get the under 40 crowd to recognize that feelings are Not facts

Is everything "emotionally driven"? You seem quite fond of that phrase.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Several surveys have said that FOX only gets it right 60 percent of the time.

As far as what do I consider reliable news? Well, there is a new news channel out there and they air on HBO (yeah, I know, pay cable, but what ya gonna do). It's called VICE News, and they air every night at 6:30 CST on HBO, M through Thurs, with a VICE in depth special on 2 subjects on Fridays. I like them because it's just the facts, and there appears to be zero bias in their reporting.

Same reason I trust BBC news. Their reporters throw little to zero of their own opinion in the story.

The surveys use loaded questions.


And I am with the OP when I think of fake news I think of the tabloids, the main stream media does not intentionally do fake news it's biased, it only tells us half the story sometimes and leaves out key facts that would go against their narrative.


It's up to the public to research more what you read or heard and don't take them for their word.


.

That is intentional misleading of the citizenry. Its propaganda, which makes it fake ... on purpose.

To me it's just being biased with holding all the facts...


Not out right fake, we all do it and not most will admit it.


Fake news story's are like from the old onion or again the tabloids were a quarter are real mixed in with totally fake so you buy it and read it.