a was indecisive about binLaden mission

[Ernie S.]

Has anyone seen this?

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

 

[Avorysuds]

Does it have any merit?

 

[percysunshine]

Leons new job is at the Pentagon, and Petreaus' new job is the head of the CIA.

Like nobody ever saw this coming...

 

[Ernie S.]

I don't know. I've been saying right along that obama went along with the plan out of fear that had it got out that he didn't act, he would be worse off than if the mission failed. The article seems to support that.

 

[percysunshine]

Panetta needs bonifieds if he is going to run the Pentagon. What better way than to give the intel to the Navy Seals.

What a move....

 

[rdean]

how Obama had shaped the final assault plan.

“I don’t want you to plan for an option that doesn’t allow you to fight your way out,” the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. “The President created the ‘fight your way out’ option,” explained an administration official.

Obama Pushed for ‘Fight Your Way Out’ Option in bin Laden Raid

 

[percysunshine]

how Obama had shaped the final assault plan.

“I don’t want you to plan for an option that doesn’t allow you to fight your way out,” the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. “The President created the ‘fight your way out’ option,” explained an administration official.

Obama Pushed for ‘Fight Your Way Out’ Option in bin Laden Raid

I am thinking that the Navy Seals could use a guy like Obama. A guy experienced in fighting his way out...of...

 

[rdean]

how Obama had shaped the final assault plan.

“I don’t want you to plan for an option that doesn’t allow you to fight your way out,” the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. “The President created the ‘fight your way out’ option,” explained an administration official.

Obama Pushed for ‘Fight Your Way Out’ Option in bin Laden Raid

I am thinking that the Navy Seals could use a guy like Obama. A guy experienced in fighting his way out...of...

FDR was in a chair. He led the US through Europe, Africa and Asia.

Why is it right wingers can't give the black guy credit on anything? Is the hate that big? They carded him. They've hounded him. He was right in getting Bin Laden when McCain called him "naive" and said we wouldn't go into Pakistan because they are our friends, no matter what the intelligence. Bush said he didn't think about Bin Laden six months after 9/11. Worse, he disbanded the CIA unit that was formed for the sole purpose of getting Bin Laden. The unit Obama started up again when he took office.

Obama said his number one priority was to get Bin Laden FROM DAY ONE. After Bush said, "Truly I'm not concerned with Bin Laden. I just don't care". Yet Republicans want to "take credit". AND they are still calling Obama names. 8 in 10 Republicans think Bush is the one we should be thanking, the guy who gave up. Who turned down the invitation to the 9/11 ceremony.

Palin said Obama "pals around with terrorists".

I'm not even going to quote what that rat Cheney and his awful daughter have been saying since Obama took office.

Almost every month, there is another story about Obama taking out another major Al Qaeda leader and finally, he got the biggest one of all, including massive amounts of intel.

But Republicans hate him and despise him so much, they can't give him any credit. They even question his schooling.

It's the Republicans exposing themselves as a "dirty party" NOT Obama. But I already knew that.

 

[percysunshine]

how Obama had shaped the final assault plan.

“I don’t want you to plan for an option that doesn’t allow you to fight your way out,” the President told operational planners at the meeting, according to the notes of one participant.

The backup landed to lift its passengers to safety. “The President created the ‘fight your way out’ option,” explained an administration official.

Obama Pushed for ‘Fight Your Way Out’ Option in bin Laden Raid

I am thinking that the Navy Seals could use a guy like Obama. A guy experienced in fighting his way out...of...

FDR was in a chair. He led the US through Europe, Africa and Asia.

Why is it right wingers can't give the black guy credit on anything? Is the hate that big? They carded him. They've hounded him. He was right in getting Bin Laden when McCain called him "naive" and said we wouldn't go into Pakistan because they are our friends, no matter what the intelligence. Bush said he didn't think about Bin Laden six months after 9/11. Worse, he disbanded the CIA unit that was formed for the sole purpose of getting Bin Laden. The unit Obama started up again when he took office.

Obama said his number one priority was to get Bin Laden FROM DAY ONE. After Bush said, "Truly I'm not concerned with Bin Laden. I just don't care". Yet Republicans want to "take credit". AND they are still calling Obama names. 8 in 10 Republicans think Bush is the one we should be thanking, the guy who gave up. Who turned down the invitation to the 9/11 ceremony.

Palin said Obama "pals around with terrorists".

I'm not even going to quote what that rat Cheney and his awful daughter have been saying since Obama took office.

Almost every month, there is another story about Obama taking out another major Al Qaeda leader and finally, he got the biggest one of all, including massive amounts of intel.

But Republicans hate him and despise him so much, they can't give him any credit. They even question his schooling.

It's the Republicans exposing themselves as a "dirty party" NOT Obama. But I already knew that.

I was sort of picturing a paper bag.

 

[rdean]

I am thinking that the Navy Seals could use a guy like Obama. A guy experienced in fighting his way out...of...

FDR was in a chair. He led the US through Europe, Africa and Asia.

Why is it right wingers can't give the black guy credit on anything? Is the hate that big? They carded him. They've hounded him. He was right in getting Bin Laden when McCain called him "naive" and said we wouldn't go into Pakistan because they are our friends, no matter what the intelligence. Bush said he didn't think about Bin Laden six months after 9/11. Worse, he disbanded the CIA unit that was formed for the sole purpose of getting Bin Laden. The unit Obama started up again when he took office.

Obama said his number one priority was to get Bin Laden FROM DAY ONE. After Bush said, "Truly I'm not concerned with Bin Laden. I just don't care". Yet Republicans want to "take credit". AND they are still calling Obama names. 8 in 10 Republicans think Bush is the one we should be thanking, the guy who gave up. Who turned down the invitation to the 9/11 ceremony.

Palin said Obama "pals around with terrorists".

I'm not even going to quote what that rat Cheney and his awful daughter have been saying since Obama took office.

Almost every month, there is another story about Obama taking out another major Al Qaeda leader and finally, he got the biggest one of all, including massive amounts of intel.

But Republicans hate him and despise him so much, they can't give him any credit. They even question his schooling.

It's the Republicans exposing themselves as a "dirty party" NOT Obama. But I already knew that.

I was sort of picturing a paper bag.

You prove my point. Thanks.

 

[Cal]

Has anyone seen this?

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

.. Yeah, I totally believe that. Jesus..

 

[percysunshine]

FDR was in a chair. He led the US through Europe, Africa and Asia.

Why is it right wingers can't give the black guy credit on anything? Is the hate that big? They carded him. They've hounded him. He was right in getting Bin Laden when McCain called him "naive" and said we wouldn't go into Pakistan because they are our friends, no matter what the intelligence. Bush said he didn't think about Bin Laden six months after 9/11. Worse, he disbanded the CIA unit that was formed for the sole purpose of getting Bin Laden. The unit Obama started up again when he took office.

Obama said his number one priority was to get Bin Laden FROM DAY ONE. After Bush said, "Truly I'm not concerned with Bin Laden. I just don't care". Yet Republicans want to "take credit". AND they are still calling Obama names. 8 in 10 Republicans think Bush is the one we should be thanking, the guy who gave up. Who turned down the invitation to the 9/11 ceremony.

Palin said Obama "pals around with terrorists".

I'm not even going to quote what that rat Cheney and his awful daughter have been saying since Obama took office.

Almost every month, there is another story about Obama taking out another major Al Qaeda leader and finally, he got the biggest one of all, including massive amounts of intel.

But Republicans hate him and despise him so much, they can't give him any credit. They even question his schooling.

It's the Republicans exposing themselves as a "dirty party" NOT Obama. But I already knew that.

I was sort of picturing a paper bag.

You prove my point. Thanks.

You don't have a point.

 

[JBeukema]

Story changes too much to believe any of it

 

[rdean]

I was sort of picturing a paper bag.

You prove my point. Thanks.

You don't have a point.

Oh yes I do. I'm currently holding it between my index finger and my thumb. It's the top of your tiny head.

 

[auditor0007]

Has anyone seen this?

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I love unsubstantiated BS.

 

[rdean]

Story changes too much to believe any of it

A story coming from Time Magazine is way more believable than a site I never heard of that has pictures of trANNy Coulter plastered all over it.

 

[Steelplate]

I've come to the conclusion that nothing this guy does will ever be right for some people. I do believe that some of it is based in racism, but for others... race has nothing to do with it. They are believing the BS the RW(fair and balanced?) media tells them... Socialist, Communist, Freedom hater, wants to destroy America, etc.

Yes, some are racist... some are just plain gullible and want to blame someone for our problems and Obama is that someone.

 

[SwingVoter]

After Bush said, "Truly I'm not concerned with Bin Laden. I just don't care". .

But you have to credit Bush with following his words with the actions to match them. President Puss appeased Pakistan and Musharraf, and in a very Jimmy Carter-esque move, told Special Ops and military forces not to cross into Pakistan.

The Republicans who defend Puss are not Conservatives, they're defending a liberal policy just because the person implementing it had an "R" next to his name.

 

[Ravi]

Smells like sour grapes.

 

[mudwhistle]

Has anyone seen this?

Q: You stated that President Obama was “overruled” by military/intelligence officials regarding the decision to send in military specialists into the Osama Bin Laden compound. Was that accurate?

A: I was told – in these exact terms, “we overruled him.” (Obama) I have since followed up and received further details on exactly what that meant, as well as the specifics of how Leon Panetta worked around the president’s “persistent hesitation to act.” There appears NOT to have been an outright overruling of any specific position by President Obama, simply because there was no specific position from the president to do so. President Obama was, in this case, as in all others, working as an absentee president.

I would be careful not to fall for some story planted in the media giving credit to someone other then Obama.

However, after seeing the photo of where Obama was seated in the situation room it sure looks more feasible then of a President fully in charge of the mission. The scenario below makes more sense.

I have been told by more than one source that Leon Panetta was directing the operation with both his own CIA operatives, as well as direct contacts with military – both entities were reporting to Panetta only at this point, and not the President of the United States. There was not going to be another delay as had happened 24 hour earlier. The operation was at this time effectively unknown to President Barack Obama or Valerie Jarrett and it remained that way until AFTER it had already been initiated. President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission. Upon his arrival there was a briefing held which included Bill Daley, John Brennan, and a high ranking member of the military. When Obama emerged from the briefing, he was described as looking “very confused and uncertain.” The president was then placed in the situation room where several of the players in this event had already been watching the operation unfold. Another interesting tidbit regarding this is that the Vice President was already “up to speed” on the operation. A source indicated they believe Hillary Clinton had personally made certain the Vice President was made aware of that day’s events before the president was. The now famous photo released shows the particulars of that of that room and its occupants. What that photo does not communicate directly is that the military personnel present in that room during the operation unfolding, deferred to either Hillary Clinton or Robert Gates. The president’s role was minimal, including their acknowledging of his presence in the room.

I'm getting tired of all of the misinformation that has been released by the White House. I guess we'll never know what actually happened. It all depends on who you're willing to believe, and that really sucks.

At the conclusion of the mission, after it had been repeatedly confirmed a success, President Obama was once again briefed behind closed doors. The only ones who went in that room besides the president were Bill Daley. John Brennan, and a third individual whose identity remains unknown to me. When leaving this briefing, the president came out of it “…much more confident. Much more certain of himself.” He was also carrying papers in his hand that quite possibly was the address to the nation given later that evening on the Bin Laden mission. The president did not have those papers with him prior to that briefing. The president then returned to the war room, where by this time, Leon Panetta had personally arrived and was receiving congratulations from all who were present.

In my initial communication to you of these events I described what unfolded as a temporary Coup initiated by high ranking intelligence and military officials. I stand by that term. These figures worked around the uncertainty of President Obama and the repeated resistance of Valerie Jarrett. If they had not been willing to do so, I am certain Osama Bin Laden would still be alive today. There will be no punishment to those who acted outside the authority of the president’s office. The president cannot afford to admit such a fact. What will be most interesting from here is to now see what becomes of Valerie Jarrett. One source indicated she is threatening resignation. I find that unlikely given my strong belief she needs the protection afforded her by the Oval Office and its immense powers to delay and eventually terminate investigations back in Chicago, but we shall see.