A Warning For Republicans

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    History provided a scenario which favors Democrats in the upcoming presidential elections.
    Class warfare, government spending well into debt, and give-aways seems to be a powerful triple-threat.
    The threat is to the long-term health of America....


    1. The rapidity of the end of WWII, due to the atomic bomb- a secret until its first use on August 6th, prevented Keynesian planners from foisting a New Deal on America’s post-war economy. While FDR had planned on same, and Truman agreed, Congress repudiated the idea. And most voters wanted freer markets, without the high taxes, rationing and infringements on civil liberties.

    2. This, even in the face of returning veterans and the possible unemployment. But Congress lifted most economic controls, cut tax rates, slashed federal spending and trusted entrepreneurs to create the needed jobs. It worked. The large dose of freedom revived the economy, which grew faster in 1946 and 1947 than government experts had predicted, and unemployment stabilized at 3.9%.

    a. Although Truman was a faithful New Dealer, the Democrats were thrashed in the 1946 midterm elections. He was amazed at the success of the anti-New Deal programs! But, he embraced the economic recovery and artfully campaigned for reelection in 1948 on the theme of class warfare! He vetoed further tax rate cuts because he believed “high taxes contribute to the welfare and security of the country.” He sounded an alarm that if Republicans further cut government spending they would wipe out FDR’s New Deal programs.

    b. In 1948 he won reelection and captured Congress for the Democrats.

    From “FDR Goes To War: How Expanded Executive Power, Spiraling National Debt, And Restricted Civil Liberties Shaped Wartime America” by Burton W. Folsom Jr. and Anita Folsom…p. 312.


    More history?

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."
    Alexander Tyler 1787
    {There is some question as to the authenticity of the attribution. But not the premise}



    A little bit more?

    “The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
    Cicero 55 BC
     
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    Before the middle 60's, the Republican Party was the "liberal" party. During the 60's, conservatives fled the Democratic Party because so many blacks joined. Conservatives swelled the ranks of the Republican Party and that's why Republicans today are 90% white and mostly Christian.

    When talking about the parties, it's better to talk in terms of "conservatives" and "liberals". Then today's conservatives wouldn't be accused of taking credit for something liberals did in the past.

    For instance, we now know, directly from John McCain that torture had nothing to do with getting Bin Laden. That was something Obama did without a shred of help from the Republican Party.

    We also know the Republican Party in the 50's supported a 90% plus tax rate on the wealthiest Americans and their policies worked beyond our wildest dreams. Unlike the polices of today's Republican Party which is all about screwing the middle class and squeezing the American economy out of every cent they can get.
     
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    Obama's got us on a glide path to third world status and he's given us the debt, deficits and downgrade to prove it.

    There are so many uneducated people solidly in the Dem camp (See the Rdean post above), that we may have to hit Ctl Alt Del and reboot the whole system
     
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    You have to admit the Hussein is a great salesman. Going on 4 years now of total failure in the economy and his kool-aid drinkers are clamouring for more (see any Rdean post).
     
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    So...you deny that the problem was that LBJ bought the black vote...rather than those horrible Republicans fled from blacks?

    There are several problems in your worldview, Chubs, but for now let's stick to the one based on human nature.
    LBJ knew what you don't. Folks will tend to move closer to the folks who will give them something for nothing.....just their votes.

    When L.B.J.’s War on Poverty initiatives are balanced against costs—the lost economic growth, the massively expanded taxation, the substantial increase in the size and scope of government, and the creation of a class of citizens completely dependent upon the government—the War on Poverty looks like a failure.

    1966 LBJ expanded the Aid to Families with Dependent Children program…under FDR, AFDC had been limited to widows, those who had lost their husbands and now lacked a breadwinner at home to help support the children.

    Then began to loosen and expand the rules of AFDC eligibility, eventually getting to the point where any woman living alone with children could take advantage of this program. In doing so, they not only bought a large number of new votes, they also incentivized out of wedlock births and single motherhood.

    As Charles Murray described in “Losing Ground,” the Great Society incentivized the same negative behaviors that cause poverty in the first place.

    Millions of women discovered that they could be better off financially by not marrying.
    Prior to 1957, LBJ “had never supported civil rights legislation- any civil rights legislation. In the Senate and House alike, his record was an unbroken one of votes against every civil rights bill that had ever come to a vote: against voting rights bills; against bills that would have struck at job discrimination and at segregation in other areas of American life; even against bills that would have protected blacks from lynching.”
    Robert Caro, “Master of the Senate: The Years of Lyndon Johnson, vol.3,” p. xv.


    Wake up, deanie.
     
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    OK, I see the complaints about LBJ. The truth is, blacks came to the Democratic Party and the whites fled the party and joined the Republican Party which is now 90% white. Say what you want about liberals, the major accomplishments of the nation come from liberals. Conservatives are good for racism, ignorance, guns and intolerance. All conservative policies are disasters. They can't run the country. They spend like crazy. Their foreign policy is a disaster. Point fingers at the left, but remember, three fingers are pointing right back at you.
     
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    “Son, when I appoint a ****** to the court, I want everyone to know he’s a ******.” -- Dem Civil Rights "Hero" LBJ on Thurgood Marshall
     
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    You love using "boy" and other racist words. You're fillthy. That's the only way to explain you. Filthy.
     
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    I quote LBJ Verbatim you fucking mental patient
     
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    Mental illness is no joke, Deany, you should stop pretending to take your meds
     
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