A Very Interesting Take on the "Green" Movement

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    I came across this transcript of a interview with a BBC commentator and it was very enlightening. I found this section particularly interesting, in that is truly shows that the environment is the furthest thing from their minds, they are interested in controlling people and they will use any methods possible to get that control.

    "TOWNSEND: I was making a speech to nearly 200
    really hard core, deep environmentalists and I played
    a little thought game on them. I said imagine I am the
    carbon fairy and I wave a magic wand. We can get rid
    of all the carbon in the atmosphere, take it down to
    two hundred fifty parts per million and I will ensure
    with my little magic wand that we do not go above
    two degrees of global warming. However, by waving
    my magic wand I will be interfering with the laws of
    physics not with people – they will be as selfish, they
    will be as desiring of status. The cars will get bigger,
    the houses will get bigger, the planes will fly all over
    the place but there will be no climate change. And I
    asked them, would you ask the fairy to wave its
    magic wand? And about 2 people of the 200 raised
    their hands.

    ROWLATT: That is quite shocking. I bet you were
    shocked, weren’t you?

    TOWNSEND: I was angry. I wasn’t shocked. I was
    angry because it really showed that they wanted
    more. They didn’t just want to prevent climate
    change. They wanted to somehow change people, or
    at very least for people to know that they had to
    change."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/programmes/analysis/transcripts/25_01_10.txt
     
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    Supports what I've said all along:

    AGW is a political and religious movement, and not science.
     
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    Sure, dingleberries. Politics and religion making the arctic sea ice, the greenland ice cap, and the anarctic ice cap melt, along with almost all of the alpine glaciers. I would have to say what ever new religion that is, it sure is getting more results than any of the old ones.
     
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    No, those are natural processes that have been going on since time began on this planet. But that would be science and as we all know you detest science.
     
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    Sure, Walleyes, sure. Same as the American Geophysical Union and Royal Society detest science. And every other Scientific Society. But our faux geologist just knows more than all these scientists put together.
     
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    No, but I am ethical and please it is the leadership of those organizations not the body of the membership that agrees with the nonsense. The leadership is heavily invested in GW as a means for grants and academic advancement, not scientific endeavor. There's a huge difference between science and political advocacy, and that's what your boys do now...political advocacy...not science.

    That's why you're losing the battle.:lol:
     
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    A curious conspiracy theory you present, I suppose you have some compelling objective evidence to support this rather outrageous claim?
     
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    Sure, here's a recent article showing how the use of bad science allowed the insurance companies to rake in a few billion dollars by overstating the possible damages that might possibly be caused by GW, all with zero evidence to back it up.

    Enjoy!

    Unscientific hype about the flooding risks from climate change will cost us all dear - Telegraph
     
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    Lets say you have two fish tanks. One is filled with a "normal" atmospheric mixture. The other has a higher percentage of greenhouse gasses. Which one will be warmer?

    Now onto the conspiracy. I heard one the other day about oil companies that want us to keep using oil. Another about the NFL fooling with laws which regulate beer sales on Sunday.

    Point is we all have conspiracy theories. I propose this belongs in that forum unless we are here to debate if CO2 helps hold heat.
     

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