A true Christian Christmas?

[Sunni Man]

And Sucking Moron......what in the hell do you think you're doing trying to talk with authority about the Bible?

I was a devout Christian for many years and even taught Sunday School and Biblical Theology classes. I have read the Bible many times over and studied it in depth. Heck, I almost went to Seminary to become a preacher!!

 

[ABikerSailor]

I can only imagine a racist like you as a preacher.

 

[strollingbones]

I can only imagine a racist like you as a preacher.

can you say fred phelphs?

 

[Sunni Man]

I can only imagine a racist like you as a preacher.

I do agree with these people.

Westboro Baptist Church Home Page

 

[ABikerSailor]

StrollingBones, gotta hand it to you.....you called it dead on accurate about Sucking Moron.

You agree with Fred Phelps Sucking Moron? And you still stand by the statement you're not a racist.........

Just because you refuse to acknowledge something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You're a racist asshole.

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm a fundamentalist Baptist, and my church is an independent New Testament church. I'm not crazy about Halloween, just because the weirdoes get so excited about it. But as Care stated, we don't celebrate things for pagan purposes. So this year, my children are dressed as Guenevere and Batman and today are having a ball wearing their costumes at school. We will trick or treat...but I live in an area which is very small, very reserved, and we aren't likely to come up against any freaks out pretending to be communing with spirits or the elements or whatever, and in general making asses of themselves.

My churches have always enjoyed Christmas. We focus on the birth of Christ, though we recognize it was most likely a different day. THe point is it's celebrated. Some fundamentalists will avoid trees and some of the overtly pagan rituals, some won't. I like to have a tree. I enjoy holly. I know it all has roots in paganism, but that's not why I like it, so I don't see it really matters. I don't believe my church puts up a tree in the church itself, however. I think gift exchanging is kept to a minimum..and church services max out. We have dinners and special services and song programs etc. It's a wonderful time on so many levels.

And at my house...it's low key. Sometimes we have a lot of presents, sometimes almost none, it just sort of depends on what everyone is doing, how well prepared we are, who's working (those who are generally don't have much time to shop/prepare gifts) and who is facing a monetary crisis. We don't sweat it.

Don't know why Christian bashers are always so interested in what we are doing for the holidays.

 

[Sunni Man]

StrollingBones, gotta hand it to you.....you called it dead on accurate about Sucking Moron.

You agree with Fred Phelps Sucking Moron? And you still stand by the statement you're not a racist.........

Just because you refuse to acknowledge something, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

You're a racist asshole.

How is being againt Homosexuality and Gays make a person a Racist?

You do realize that homos are Not a race?

That are just mentally ill people engaging in a perverted lifestyle.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You don't celebrate things for pagan purposes, yet you are dressing your children up as a dead famous lady, and a demonic crime fighter?

Way to hypocrite!

 

[ABikerSailor]

How is being againt Homosexuality and Gays make a person a Racist?

You do realize that homos are Not a race?

That are just mentally ill people engaging in a perverted lifestyle.

Well Shitty Man, like I said, with all the bigotry and prejudice that you spew forth on this board, I'd be surprised if you weren't a racist.

But.....you've even proven that by being anti-Semetic.

 

[Abelian Sea]

You don't celebrate things for pagan purposes, yet you are dressing your children up as a dead famous lady, and a demonic crime fighter?

Way to hypocrite!

Are you suggesting that the only reasons for costuming children are pagan?

I think most people celebrate Halloween as a weird cultural tradition rather than as anything religious. If that's the case with Allie, which I think it is, then I fail to see the hypocracy.

 

[random3434]

Are you suggesting that the only reasons for costuming children are pagan?

I think most people celebrate Halloween as a weird cultural tradition rather than as anything religious, Pagan or otherwise.

Uh, it's all about the candy dude.

 

[AllieBaba]

You don't celebrate things for pagan purposes, yet you are dressing your children up as a dead famous lady, and a demonic crime fighter?

Way to hypocrite!

Did the pagans dress up as dead famous women and demonic crime fighters? Why I don't believe they did.

Kids like to dress up. Nothing hypocritical about it. My little girl wanted to be a princess, my little boy wanted to wear a cape.

But honestly, you really are almost too stupid to converse with. And Sunni is right...it isn't "racist" to be homophobic. You expose yourself as a fool every time you open your mouth.

I used to laugh my ass off at the idiots who would chirp up with "You're racist!" when I'd make fun of Brits.

Brit is a nationality....homosexuality is a sexual preference...NEITHER are related to race.

So here you go:

Dictionary.com

Look up:
"hypocrite" since you don't seem to know the meaning of the word, and yet you are one...

"bigot" since you seem to think being a bigot means you're also a racist, which isn't necessarily true....if it were, you'd be both...

"racist" so you'll understand the nuances of being a racist. Which has to include some sort of antipathy against someone on account of their RACE you moron. Not their sexual preference.

 

[Abelian Sea]

Uh, it's all about the candy dude.

Don't come to my house with that attitude. You want candy from me you better be in a costume and willing to say "trick or treat." None of that "we're teenagers so we're too cool to wear costumes but still want to roam around getting candy" crap.

 

[AllieBaba]

No costumes or trick or treating for my kids as soon as they hit 13. THat's the end of the road. At that point, they're expected to either escort younger relatives trick or treating, or stay home and hand out candy.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Are you suggesting that the only reasons for costuming children are pagan?

I think most people celebrate Halloween as a weird cultural tradition rather than as anything religious. If that's the case with Allie, which I think it is, then I fail to see the hypocracy.

Well, the interesting thing is, when you come before God (like Always Babbling is always babbling about), He's not gonna really care if you knew it was pagan or not, He's going to be concerned as to if you did it or not.

Halloween celebrations have their roots in pagan rituals, most notable among them is giving offerings to the dead so that they won't bug or harm you, which is where trick or treating comes from.

Isn't there something in the Bible against that?

 

[random3434]

Don't come to my house with that attitude. You want candy from me you better be in a costume and willing to say "trick or treat." None of that "we're teenagers so we're too cool to wear costumes but still want to roam around getting candy" crap.

Memo To Self:



"Don't trick or treat at Abelian Sea's house...."

 

[AllieBaba]

Well, the interesting thing is, when you come before God (like Always Babbling is always babbling about), He's not gonna really care if you knew it was pagan or not, He's going to be concerned as to if you did it or not.

Halloween celebrations have their roots in pagan rituals, most notable among them is giving offerings to the dead so that they won't bug or harm you, which is where trick or treating comes from.

Isn't there something in the Bible against that?

How on earth do you know what God will care about? Faith not works, dumbass.

THere's nothing in the Bible which tells us to avoid civilian festivities, unless they come into direct conflict with Christianity. Dressing up and going door to door is not in conflict with Christianity, any more than caroling is, or entering Veteran's Day parades.

The bible adjours people to not be off-putting to people who believe differently...and at the same time to hold ourselves as separate. Those who do not participate in the more worldly aspects of some holidays are doing that.

As I said, I don't know why scoffers get so worked up over this. You don't believe, I don't care. Don't believe. But spare me your ridiculous harassment over things you don't understand.

 

[ABikerSailor]

How on earth do you know what God will care about? Faith not works, dumbass.

THere's nothing in the Bible which tells us to avoid civilian festivities, unless they come into direct conflict with Christianity. Dressing up and going door to door is not in conflict with Christianity, any more than caroling is, or entering Veteran's Day parades.

The bible adjours people to not be off-putting to people who believe differently...and at the same time to hold ourselves as separate. Those who do not participate in the more worldly aspects of some holidays are doing that.

As I said, I don't know why scoffers get so worked up over this. You don't believe, I don't care. Don't believe. But spare me your ridiculous harassment over things you don't understand.

Well, Always A Bitch, how do I know what God will care about? Simple....I read the Bible and study Torah. And, miss Dumbass, you should also know that faith WITHOUT WORKS is DEAD! Or, did your bitty, shallow Christian mind miss that?

You are right about nothing in the Bible tells you to avoid civilian festivals unless they are in conflict with the Bible. So, what part of making offerings to dead people, which is what trick or treating is a carry over from, do you not get? Your own religion tells you that you are not to make offerings to other entities (of which dead spirits are a part).

I understand Christianity. However, you apparently don't, because of your narrow views and blind faith that what your preacher tells you is right.

 

[Abelian Sea]

So, what part of making offerings to dead people, which is what trick or treating is a carry over from, do you not get?

"Rooted in" is not "the same as."

People who participate in Halloween in the way common in our culture are not actually practicing a religious ritual. What they're doing may be a vestigal remnant of such a ritual, but at this point it really is just giving kids candy.

No offerings to the dead are being made. No ancient and profane gods are being worshipped. No rituals are being religously observed.

I could see a religous person distancing herself from such activities because of the ancient history of the tradition, but I don't think Halloween as it is celebrated today is actually blasphemous.


Same with the Christmas tree. Today, for most people, it's basically just a party decoration. Not a whiff of brimstone about it.

 

[Abelian Sea]

Memo To Self:



"Don't trick or treat at Abelian Sea's house...."

What, you don't wear a costume when you trick or treat? For shame. Don't you know what Halloween is really about?

Halloween is about dressing up in costumes, scaring yourself for amusment, and eating candy. The candy is vital, but it is not all.