A topic for objective conversation

[Asclepias]

Whites have a history as a group of being savages and prone to genocide and enslavement.

Slavery was endemic within Africa long before slaves were purchased and brought to the Western Hemisphere.

Chattel slavery was an invention of whites. Slavery in Africa was really more like indentured servitude. Besides whites enslaved each other long before they invented chattel slavery for Africans.

Egyptians had slaves. Hyroglyphics show masters with whips

Whites had slaves. We know because the word "slave" comes from their practice of enslaving each other.

 

[Asclepias]

Actually some behavior is genetic.

Do you believe Black behavior is genetic?

Of course some Black behavior is genetic. Programming has over ridden a lot of it though.

 

[Asclepias]

Whites have a history as a group of being savages and prone to genocide and enslavement.

Slavery was endemic within Africa long before slaves were purchased and brought to the Western Hemisphere.

It was also endemic within Europe so I dont get your point?

 

[IM2]

Whites have a history as a group of being savages and prone to genocide and enslavement.

Slavery was endemic within Africa long before slaves were purchased and brought to the Western Hemisphere.

Chattel slavery was not endemic to Africa. The African slaves were captives of war or criminals serving penalties. Both could gain freedom and were not permanent property of their master. They were not deemed to be slaves for life nor were their children property of the master. Such is the difference between African slavery and white slavery. This is what whites like you do not seem to understand. Europeans had slaves also, they called them serfs.

 

[MizMolly]

Whites have a history as a group of being savages and prone to genocide and enslavement.

Slavery was endemic within Africa long before slaves were purchased and brought to the Western Hemisphere.

Chattel slavery was an invention of whites. Slavery in Africa was really more like indentured servitude. Besides whites enslaved each other long before they invented chattel slavery for Africans.

Egyptians had slaves. Hyroglyphics show masters with whips

Whites had slaves. We know because the word "slave" comes from their practice of enslaving each other.

Yes, I know this. But Egyptians did not have indentured servants. They had slaves.

 

[jwoodie]

Whites had slaves. We know because the word "slave" comes from their practice of enslaving each other.

"Slave" is an English word. Apparently, you are unaware that other (e.g., African) languages have their own words.

 

[jwoodie]

The African slaves were captives of war or criminals serving penalties. Both could gain freedom and were not permanent property of their master.

Then how were their African masters able to sell them to European slavers?

 

[IM2]

The African slaves were captives of war or criminals serving penalties. Both could gain freedom and were not permanent property of their master.

Then how were their African masters able to sell them to European slavers?

They were captured and sold.

Systems of servitude and slavery were common in parts of Africa, as they were in much of the ancient world. In many African societies where slavery was prevalent, the enslaved people were not treated as chattel slaves and were given certain rights in a system similar to indentured servitude elsewhere in the world. When the Arab slave trade and Atlantic slave trade began, many of the local slave systems began supplying captives for slave markets outside Africa.[2]

Slavery in historical Africa was practiced in many different forms: Debt slavery, enslavement of war captives, military slavery, and criminal slavery were all practiced in various parts of Africa.[3] Slavery for domestic and court purposes was widespread throughout Africa. Plantation slavery also occurred primarily on the eastern coast of Africa and in parts of West Africa. The importance of domestic plantation slavery increased during the 19th century due to the abolition of the Atlantic slave trade. Many African states dependent on the international slave trade reoriented their economies towards legitimate commerce worked by slave labor.[4]

Slavery in Africa - Wikipedia

 

[Asclepias]

Whites have a history as a group of being savages and prone to genocide and enslavement.

Slavery was endemic within Africa long before slaves were purchased and brought to the Western Hemisphere.

Chattel slavery was an invention of whites. Slavery in Africa was really more like indentured servitude. Besides whites enslaved each other long before they invented chattel slavery for Africans.

Egyptians had slaves. Hyroglyphics show masters with whips

Whites had slaves. We know because the word "slave" comes from their practice of enslaving each other.

Yes, I know this. But Egyptians did not have indentured servants. They had slaves.

No. They had indentured servants Whites had slaves..

 

[Asclepias]

Whites had slaves. We know because the word "slave" comes from their practice of enslaving each other.

"Slave" is an English word. Apparently, you are unaware that other (e.g., African) languages have their own words.

Of course they have their own words but whites are the ones that invented chattel slavery. The African words meant servant.

 

[Asclepias]

The African slaves were captives of war or criminals serving penalties. Both could gain freedom and were not permanent property of their master.

Then how were their African masters able to sell them to European slavers?

The same way you can sell full interest in a contract to people here in the US

 

[MizMolly]

Whites had slaves. We know because the word "slave" comes from their practice of enslaving each other.

"Slave" is an English word. Apparently, you are unaware that other (e.g., African) languages have their own words.

Of course they have their own words but whites are the ones that invented chattel slavery. The African words meant servant.

It was still slavery

 

[jwoodie]

The same way you can sell full interest in a contract to people here in the US

Pray tell what "contract" was sold to the European slavers? You can't something you don't already possess. Your so-called "indentured servants" were already in chains before they were sold.

 

[IM2]

The same way you can sell full interest in a contract to people here in the US

Pray tell what "contract" was sold to the European slavers? You can't something you don't already possess. Your so-called "indentured servants" were already in chains before they were sold.

Yes because whites fomented strife between tribes so they would fight ad then whites bought the prisoners of war. They were captured in war which is why they were in chains.

“Africans sold their own people as slaves” is a stock argument White Americans use when the subject of slavery comes up.
First, simply as an argument of fact it fails:

• Africa was not a country. Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, then as now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.

And it overlooks a few other things:

• Most African countries did not sell slaves and some even fought against it. But because Europeans back then could control the supply of guns there was little Africans could do to stop it.

Africans sold their own people as slaves” really ?

 

[Asclepias]

The same way you can sell full interest in a contract to people here in the US

Pray tell what "contract" was sold to the European slavers? You can't something you don't already possess. Your so-called "indentured servants" were already in chains before they were sold.

Is your reading comprehension on the fritz again? I just told you.

 

[jwoodie]

“Africans sold their own people as slaves” is a stock argument White Americans use when the subject of slavery comes up.
First, simply as an argument of fact it fails:

• Africa was not a country. Africans were not selling “their own”, they were selling their enemies, just as the Greeks and Romans once did. Africa, then as now, was made up of different countries. They were no more selling “their own” than, say, “Europeans” were killing “their own” during the Holocaust.

Is this an example of your rhythmic thinking? First you posit a straw man proposition that "Africans sold their own people as slaves" in order to argue against it. Then you state that "Africa was not a country" as if you are refuting some assertion to the contrary. (Black slaves came from a number of regions within the CONTINENT of Africa and spoke a number of different languages.) Finally, you equate African slavery to that of the Romans and Greeks.* If that is the case, why do you consider African slavery to be the greatest crime against humanity the world has ever known?

*You previously stated that African slavery was indentured servitude rather than slavery. Do you also consider Roman galley slaves to have been indentured servants?