Discussion in 'Politics' started by random3434, Oct 4, 2009.
Not Republican, Not Democrat, Not Libertarian.
What would be your ideal Third Party?
One that follows what the Constitution actually says rather than what they can twist certain phrases in the Constitution to mean.
but it's getting like the Bible--no one can agree what it actually says
What candidates do you think would be viable to head the third party? And why?
Pontificate what George Washington said about political parties in his Farewell Address.
"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
There is an opinion that parties in free countries are useful checks upon the administration of the government and serve to keep alive the spirit of liberty. This within certain limits is probably true; and in governments of a monarchical cast, patriotism may look with indulgence, if not with favor, upon the spirit of party. But in those of the popular character, in governments purely elective, it is a spirit not to be encouraged. From their natural tendency, it is certain there will always be enough of that spirit for every salutary purpose. And there being constant danger of excess, the effort ought to be by force of public opinion, to mitigate and assuage it. A fire not to be quenched, it demands a uniform vigilance to prevent its bursting into a flame, lest, instead of warming, it should consume."
Good point. One that takes my interpretation of the Constitution, then.
Well if we're assuming that this is a third party that would actually be able to challenge the Democratic-Republicans I'd have to say Ron Paul. Every vote he's taken in his 11 terms has been based on the Constitution.
Like it or not, the only second party with the ballot access and administrative infrastructure to credibly contend with the demopublicraticans is the LP.
As much as the Founding Fathers (some of them anyway) hated political parties, they knew they would exist and eventually used them themselves.
Third Parties just don't work.
The problem is that they always start from the top and shoot for the Presidency. All this accomplishes is to pull votes away from one major candidate and elects the other major candidate. Thats how Lincoln got elected.
If you are serious about a third party, you have to build from the ground up. Start with State Assemblies, then Congressmen....work your way up to Senators and Governors. Don't even consider running someone for President until you have built a political base. If you can get 10 Senators elected you can rule Congress by pitting one party against the other.
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