A Third Party Would Be a Death Sentence for Conservatism in Government?

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    What do you think? Would a third party initiative ensure increasing liberalism, socialism, and erosion of conservative principles and values in the USA?

    I generally have my car radio tuned to the #1 radio station in my state to get news, weather, traffic reports etc. As it is a news/talk station, it features Rush Limbaugh and I caught a bit of his spiel while enroute to an appointment on Tuesday.

    And I have been mulling over his thesis ever since.

    He is currently emphasizing that while he 100% supports the empahsis of the Tea Parties and Tax Protests and similar grass roots efforts at reform, and while he realizes the GOP has lost its way and needs to pull itself back on track. . .

    . . .while he acknowledges all that, he is 100% opposed to an effort to form a conservative third party.

    He opposes assertions that there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats and he ticked off all the ways that the Republicans are different from the Democrats. If there was no essential difference between the parties, the massive healthcare bill and Cap and Trade would already be passed. We would openly have government funding of unrestricted abortion, ACORN would be running our census next year, and our military would be stripped to a token force just to name a few things. The GOP for all its self-serving ways neither promotes, tolerates, or overlooks Marxist or Mao-ist tinged politics, ideology, and socialism.

    To split conservatives between the GOP and a third party would ensure that the Democratic Party will reign in perpetuity.

    Far better he said, to demand of the GOP that it find and restore its conservative roots and values and reform itself and provide an alternative to the Marxist tinged track that we are currently on.

    I am mulling all that over because there is at least a kernal of truth that should be addressed in all that I think. And I'm pondering whether putting my support behind a third party would actually be counterproductive to what we conservatives want from our government and our society.

    So what do you think?
     
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    A third party would end the other two only if tit were more in touch with the will of the People than they.

    If that's the case, then let them die, for they serve only the oppressors and the corrupt.
     
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    A conservative party might bleed off about 30% of the Republican party. But it would also free the Republican party to a more moderate position that could bleed off a lot of blue dog democrats and independents.

    It would not (imho) kill anyone else - it would just prompt a realignment. And I'm not against that.
     
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    I meant let the parties die as entities ._.;
     
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    I think limbaugh's statements should be taken with a grain of salt because it appears in his best interest to help preserve the republican party. That is because his audience has a lot of republicans in it and he is an entertainer, has to have that audience.
    If rush was the third party candidate he would be talking a different line.
    It looks like a third party would have to be a little more liberal than rush to be successful.
    If a third party was to be successful it would have to appeal to voters from both major parties as well as to independents. That doesn't sound a whole lot like rush. It does not benefit him to cheer for a third party, it hurts him. If it benefited him he would be the biggest cheerleader for a third party.
     
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    so did I - I don't think either party would be "killed"
     
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    The Green Party didn't kill the democratic party - I see no reason to think a Conservative Party would kill the Republican Party. Did the Reform Party kill the Republican Party?

    Actually, imho, a conservative party that draws from the Tea Party folks would have an advantage of the Green and Reform party movements because they have more of a grass roots network to draw from.

    The lack of success from the Green Party and the Reform Party and from so many other "third" party movements (imho) is that they skip over the local and state level and immediately start trying to be "players" on the national organization. There is no widespread "base" or foundation for the organization.
     
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    Death of conservativism in government?

    HAHA--you jest do you not. There are no CONSERVATIVES IN GOVERNMENT!! Those guys that campaign on "conservative values" are moderates that sell their vote to the highest bidding socialists.

    Fight as hard as you like--America will move left despite your efforts!!
     
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    If Conservatism in Government could survive what the Bush's and the Congressional Republicans did to it over the last twenty years, it can survive anything.

    The real question should be, could the GOP survive a mass exodus of Conservatives? Would the NeoCons and Social Cons be enough to rebuild the party around?
     
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    Advocating a third party would be the death or Limbaugh's program and the end of his revenue stream. Limbaugh makes a lot of money off of exploiting the partisan divide and gets a lot of free press and publicity from his support of the GOP. Limbaugh can not advocate for a third party, any more than Hannity, Coulter, or Beck, without slitting their own throats.

    None of these guys actually has the courage to back up their convictions. Otherwise they'd have bailed on Frist/Delay/Bush in 2004 and pulled for a third party. Limbaugh, with his listenship and influence, probably could start a third party and make it viable if he had any actual courage.
     
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