A "The Deep State" Discussion

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    John Brennan's CIA Trump Task Force
    Could it become Obamagate?

    There is considerable evidence that the American system of government may have been victimized by an illegal covert operation organized and executed by the U.S. intelligence and national security community. Former Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper, former CIA Director John Brennan and former FBI Director Jim Comey appear to have played critical leadership roles in carrying out this conspiracy and they may not have operated on their own. Almost certainly what they may have done would have been explicitly authorized by the former President of the United States, Barack Obama, and his national security team.
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    Personally, I think the whole of DC is corrupt. Less or more is immaterial and akin to "he did it first (or worse) mommy.
     
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    Yes. I just don't want to jump to desperate conclusions like the Democrats have. Let the witnesses testify, ALL of them, and let the hearings be public and ALL questions be asked-for both hearings.
     
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    I don't want to accept their moral equivalence arguments, either.
     
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    Hopefully Barr proves to be Trump's best appointment.

    HE’S RIGHT: AG Bill Barr Speaks About The Damage to Our Nation From The “Resistance.” Transcript at the link.

    Attorney General Barr defends Trump, assails ‘Resistance’ in fiery speech to conservative lawyers.

    “‘In waging a scorched-earth, no-holds-barred war of Resistance against this administration, it is the Left that is engaged in a systematic shredding of norms and undermining the rule of law,’ Barr said in a speech to conservative lawyers at the Federalist Society’s convention in Washington.”​

    Attorney General Barr Shreds The Political Left During Federalist Society Speech..

    “In any age, the so-called progressives treat politics as their religion. Their holy mission is to use the coercive power of the state to remake man and society in their own image, according to an abstract ideal of perfection. Whatever means they use are therefore justified because, by definition, they are a virtuous people pursing a deific end. They are willing to use any means necessary to gain momentary advantage in achieving their end, regardless of collateral consequences and the systemic implications.​

    They are deeply infected with and blinded by their self-righteousness.
     
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    "Nevertheless, some might even argue that having a Deep State is a healthy part of American democracy, that it serves as a check or corrective element on a political system that has largely been corrupted and which no longer serves national interests.

    "But that assessment surely might have been made before it became clear that many of the leaders of the nation’s intelligence and security agencies are no longer the people’s honorable servants they pretend to be.

    "They have been heavily politicized since at least the time of Ronald Reagan and have frequently succumbed to the lure of wealth and power while identifying with and promoting the interests of the Deep State."

    Given the US meddling in recent Russian and Ukrainian elections, I wouldn't be surprised if both countries tried to influence the outcome here in 2016.
     
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    Ya I never believed into this crap till now a billionaire committed suicide in jail?
     
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    I'm thinking that Obama has secretly declared martial law and since he legalized that the government can create false propaganda against its own citizens. That he is still in control, but doesn't want the public to know. Making sure that Pres.Trump doesn't doesn't change anything. But they gives him a little meat on the bones to make it look like he has done something. But they don't want the public to get uptight. Pres.Trump needs a prophet in the White House. To inform him on certain issues.

     
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    The term Deep State has become popular in recent times
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    Some consider it a shadow governance , some monetary influence , and of course the partisans blame that 'other party'

    Myself, i consider it a symptom of an American identity crisis

    ~S~
     

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