A Tale of Two Storms. $60 Billion in Fed Aid Within 10 Days

[Seawytch]

Yup, 10 days

In the 10 days after Hurricane Katrina made landfall in Louisiana, the Republican-controlled Congress approved two bills providing $62.3 billion in emergency funding, and President George W. Bush immediately signed them into law.

It has now been 60+ days and counting.

Can "unprecedented" be overused?

 

[Antares]

Shhhh!!!!

Bush blew up the levees too!!!!!!

 

[WillowTree]

President Bush was better. End of story.

 

[Mr. H.]

That's ancient history.

Sort of like it didn't happen.

Now go away like a good citizen.

 

[Seawytch]

President Bush was better. End of story.

Failed Civics did you?

 

[Claudette]

A tale of two storms?/

Yup. The State and local Govt dropped the ball on Katrina. Bush told that dumb assed Gov to declare it a disaster area three days before the storm hit. The moron didn't do it and in fact waffled about it even after the levis broke.

The State should have had a mandatory evacuation and forced everyone out. NO is 5 feet below sea level. Only a moron would have stayed. They had 250 school busses that could have taken loads out. Those same school busses got flooded out.

Bush and FEMA took the hit but the State and local Gov and that stupid Gov were to blame. Of course some will contunue to Blame Bush and FEMA but hey, its the lefty way.

 

[Stephanie]

so Bush was Better than Obama

I guess he didn't hate black people after all

how about that..

 

[Pogo]

A tale of two storms?/

Yup. The State and local Govt dropped the ball on Katrina. Bush told that dumb assed Gov to declare it a disaster area three days before the storm hit. The moron didn't do it and in fact waffled about it even after the levis broke.

The State should have had a mandatory evacuation and forced everyone out. NO is 5 feet below sea level. Only a moron would have stayed. They had 250 school busses that could have taken loads out. Those same school busses got flooded out.

Bush and FEMA took the hit but the State and local Gov and that stupid Gov were to blame. Of course some will contunue to Blame Bush and FEMA but hey, its the lefty way.

You are utterly full of revisionist shit, and I told you this in the other thread.

The fact is Governor Blanco asked for federal assistance on Saturday August 27, as soon as it became clear the storm was coming. And Bush signed off. In other words they both did their jobs. Something you couldn't be bothered to do in anything like "research".

"...I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. ... "In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan."" -- Gov. Kathleen Blanco, August 27 ... that's two days before the storm. DUH.

By the way Governors don't declare disaster areas. Presidents do. - and they do that after the event. You can't do it before.

The blame has already been lain, officially, on the Army Corps of Engineers. If that doesn't fit your revisionist agenda that's just too god damn fucking bad.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What you all seem to forget is that Katrina did not cause the flooding in the 9th ward.

That was caused by the local corrupt politicians who refused to maintain the levees and who spent millions of tax payer dollars of stupid shit like fountains instead of upkeep.

 

[Pogo]

What you all seem to forget is that Katrina did not cause the flooding in the 9th ward.

That was caused by the local corrupt politicians who refused to maintain the levees and who spent millions of tax payer dollars of stupid shit like fountains instead of upkeep.

That would be the infamous Levee Board, which was independent of city and state gummint. But again the blame for the levees has been laid, officially, in court, on the Army Corps of Engineers for their "profoundly inadequate" designs. The levee board for its part was surely guilty of irresponsible priorities, focusing on Lakeshore Drive and the marina and casinos instead of public safety. Fortunately it no longer exists.

 

[Seawytch]

Is this some sort of knee jerk reaction because Bush was mentioned as the signor of the aid bill? This has nothing to do with either the current or former President, but about Congress approving aid for one hurricane within 10 days and still not having approved aid for another after 60.

 

[beretta304]

http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/buses.asp

 

[Pogo]

Is this some sort of knee jerk reaction because Bush was mentioned as the signor of the aid bill? This has nothing to do with either the current or former President, but about Congress approving aid for one hurricane within 10 days and still not having approved aid for another after 60.

Yeah I think it is. I'm amazed that some clowns want to come in and revise history even though it's the easiest thing in the world to disprove. They don't seem to mind looking stupid.

A worthy reminder of what the thread actually is though.

 

[ba1614]

Bush was a leader, love him or hate him, he could lead. Something sorely lacking in the current administration.

 

[beretta304]

A tale of two storms?/

Yup. The State and local Govt dropped the ball on Katrina. Bush told that dumb assed Gov to declare it a disaster area three days before the storm hit. The moron didn't do it and in fact waffled about it even after the levis broke.

The State should have had a mandatory evacuation and forced everyone out. NO is 5 feet below sea level. Only a moron would have stayed. They had 250 school busses that could have taken loads out. Those same school busses got flooded out.

Bush and FEMA took the hit but the State and local Gov and that stupid Gov were to blame. Of course some will contunue to Blame Bush and FEMA but hey, its the lefty way.

You are utterly full of revisionist shit, and I told you this in the other thread.

The fact is Governor Blanco asked for federal assistance on Saturday August 27, as soon as it became clear the storm was coming. And Bush signed off. In other words they both did their jobs. Something you couldn't be bothered to do in anything like "research".

"...I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. ... "In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan."" -- Gov. Kathleen Blanco, August 27 ... that's two days before the storm. DUH.

By the way Governors don't declare disaster areas. Presidents do. - and they do that after the event. You can't do it before.

The blame has already been lain, officially, on the Army Corps of Engineers. If that doesn't fit your revisionist agenda that's just too god damn fucking bad.

Q: Okay, what does it take to get the President to declare a disaster so I can get FEMA assistance?

A: The Governor is the only person who can ask the President to make a major disaster declaration. But first, the Governor's request must include damage reports from counties affected by the disaster that clearly shows there have been "significant damages." Generally speaking, the number of homes that have been destroyed or with major damage must be in the hundreds for the disaster to be considered "significant." Your part in this process is to report your damages (even if they are insured) to your local jurisdiction's emergency manager so they can be combined with other reports and forwarded to the state for analysis. Until you and your neighbors report your damages, nothing is going to happen. If the President declares a disaster, federal assistance becomes available to people and government agencies that have enough damages to qualify.

http://joomla.sanjuandem.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65&Itemid=64

AND

http://www.emd.wa.gov/disaster/disaster_household_faqs.shtml

 

[healthmyths]

That's ancient history.

Sort of like it didn't happen.

Now go away like a good citizen.

YEA and these events DIDN"T HAPPEN ALSO???
Did these EVENTS HAPPEN???

A) Didn't the marvelous dot.com ( that Clinton phony surplus bubble)* bust occur? YES! What did it cost?
1) $5 trillion in market losses which meant the taxpayers who had tax liabilities of $60 billion from 2002 and beyond GONE!
2) 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts....billions in payroll taxes!!!

Do YOU think those people that had $5 trillion in losses DIDN"T report those losses in their ADJUSTED TAX INCOME over the next 30 years which is what IRS allows?
For example if a Dot.com investor loss $1 million of that $5 trillion that means the investor has 30 years to write off against taxable income $33,000.
So Instead of having a tax on $1 million or at 35% $350,000 by subtracting $33,000 from $1 million that means taxes of 35% on $966,000 or $338,000 a loss to the US treasury of $12,000 from just this $1 million of the $5 trillion!
Or for every $1 million in losses $12,000 loss in tax revenue or on the $5 trillion nearly $60 billion in tax revenue for each year from 2003 and 30 years forward.

B) Did 9/11 happen??? YES what did that cost?
1) Then we had 9/11 which cost $2 trillion or at the above example another $24 billion in loss tax revenue from 2004 and next 30 years.
2)145,00 jobs lost in NYC alone due to 9/11... what did that cost? Billions in payroll taxes!

and regarding hurricanes... THE WORST SEASONS not hurricanes like Sandy SEASONS!!!
C) DID the worst hurricane SEASONS not hurricanes SEASONS occur? YES what did that cost?
Hurricanes cost $1 trillion.. at the above another $12 billion in loss tax revenue.
Collectively Federal tax revenue Loss due to the $8 trillion in losses nearly $100 billion a year from 2003 and next 30 years!

Then payroll taxes
Assuming 300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com bust -- 145,000 lost due to 9/11 (remember airlines didn't fly for 3 days!) 400,000 jobs lost due to hurricanes..
850,000 jobs lost.
So at say an average of $30,000 per job and Social Security and Medicare EMPLOYEE pays 7.65% or $2,295 paid by employee.. BUT I imagine you and many like you forget the EMPLOYER matches that and also pays $2,295 or a total of $4,590 paid in by Employee and Employer!
$4,590 times 850,000 jobs or near $4 billion a year due to those LOST jobs in Federal REVENUE!

So between these two tax revenue generators losing over $100 billion a year all due to what... EVENTS beyond ANYONE's control!!!

 

[mudwhistle]

A tale of two storms?/

Yup. The State and local Govt dropped the ball on Katrina. Bush told that dumb assed Gov to declare it a disaster area three days before the storm hit. The moron didn't do it and in fact waffled about it even after the levis broke.

The State should have had a mandatory evacuation and forced everyone out. NO is 5 feet below sea level. Only a moron would have stayed. They had 250 school busses that could have taken loads out. Those same school busses got flooded out.

Bush and FEMA took the hit but the State and local Gov and that stupid Gov were to blame. Of course some will contunue to Blame Bush and FEMA but hey, its the lefty way.

You are utterly full of revisionist shit, and I told you this in the other thread.

The fact is Governor Blanco asked for federal assistance on Saturday August 27, as soon as it became clear the storm was coming. And Bush signed off. In other words they both did their jobs. Something you couldn't be bothered to do in anything like "research".

"...I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. ... "In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan."" -- Gov. Kathleen Blanco, August 27 ... that's two days before the storm. DUH.

By the way Governors don't declare disaster areas. Presidents do. - and they do that after the event. You can't do it before.

The blame has already been lain, officially, on the Army Corps of Engineers. If that doesn't fit your revisionist agenda that's just too god damn fucking bad.

The blame rests with the Einstein that decided to build a major city in a hurricane zone that is below sea level.

 

[healthmyths]

I am waiting for someone to tell me that $100 billion a year in LOST TAX REVENUE due to $8 trillion in dot.com/9/11/hurricane losses had NO AFFECT!
I am waiting for someone to explain HOW almost 1 million jobs lost in these 3 major catastrophes DIDN"T HAVE AN AFFECT!

I am also waiting for someone to explain HOW BUSH during that period had a 16% increase in gross domestic product, had budget deficits declining every year OH and Obama/Dem SENATE !!! Bush/GOP submitted under law budgets EVERY YEAR something Obama/Senate seem to have forgotten!

 

[Pogo]

A tale of two storms?/

Yup. The State and local Govt dropped the ball on Katrina. Bush told that dumb assed Gov to declare it a disaster area three days before the storm hit. The moron didn't do it and in fact waffled about it even after the levis broke.

The State should have had a mandatory evacuation and forced everyone out. NO is 5 feet below sea level. Only a moron would have stayed. They had 250 school busses that could have taken loads out. Those same school busses got flooded out.

Bush and FEMA took the hit but the State and local Gov and that stupid Gov were to blame. Of course some will contunue to Blame Bush and FEMA but hey, its the lefty way.

You are utterly full of revisionist shit, and I told you this in the other thread.

The fact is Governor Blanco asked for federal assistance on Saturday August 27, as soon as it became clear the storm was coming. And Bush signed off. In other words they both did their jobs. Something you couldn't be bothered to do in anything like "research".

"...I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal. ... "In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan."" -- Gov. Kathleen Blanco, August 27 ... that's two days before the storm. DUH.

By the way Governors don't declare disaster areas. Presidents do. - and they do that after the event. You can't do it before.

The blame has already been lain, officially, on the Army Corps of Engineers. If that doesn't fit your revisionist agenda that's just too god damn fucking bad.

Q: Okay, what does it take to get the President to declare a disaster so I can get FEMA assistance?

A: The Governor is the only person who can ask the President to make a major disaster declaration. But first, the Governor's request must include damage reports from counties affected by the disaster that clearly shows there have been "significant damages." Generally speaking, the number of homes that have been destroyed or with major damage must be in the hundreds for the disaster to be considered "significant." Your part in this process is to report your damages (even if they are insured) to your local jurisdiction's emergency manager so they can be combined with other reports and forwarded to the state for analysis. Until you and your neighbors report your damages, nothing is going to happen. If the President declares a disaster, federal assistance becomes available to people and government agencies that have enough damages to qualify.

Questions Following a Disaster

Take the short bus back to reading school; the idiot poster was trying to pass off the load that "Bush told that dumb assed Gov to declare it a disaster area three days before the storm hit". That's not possible to do, for either of them. And when it is possible, it's the POTUS that does it -- not the Governor.

 

[Seawytch]

Bush was a leader, love him or hate him, he could lead. Something sorely lacking in the current administration.

Please provide evidence that Bush had to whip Congress up to get them to approve a bill. The fact is that Bush didn't have anything to do with it.

You know, I take it back, it does have something to do with the President. The Republicans refuse to help American people because they hate this President. What other explanation is there to hold up disaster relief for over two months?